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[RZehr]

All this to consider in light of the fact that leftist government keep conveying "We need to reduce the population".

I thought this "leftist government" was too pro-immigration for the taste of most conservatives. Which is the opposite of reducing the population.

That’s kind of like saying Republicans really must be pro-abortion, since they are anti-illegal immigration.

[Ken]

All this to consider in light of the fact that leftist government keep conveying "We need to reduce the population".

I thought this "leftist government" was too pro-immigration for the taste of most conservatives. Which is the opposite of reducing the population.

That’s kind of like saying Republicans really must be pro-abortion, since they are anti-illegal immigration.

No. I'm just disagreeing with the notion that our current administration is seeking to reduce the US population. Through COVID, Vaccines, abortions, or anything else.

[Valerie]

I thought this "leftist government" was too pro-immigration for the taste of most conservatives. Which is the opposite of reducing the population.

That’s kind of like saying Republicans really must be pro-abortion, since they are anti-illegal immigration.

No. I'm just disagreeing with the notion that our current administration is seeking to reduce the US population. Through COVID, Vaccines, abortions, or anything else.

I didn't mean reducing the U.S. population. The agenda is to reduce global population so immigration in "this" case doesn't matter. The left needs the votes any way they can get them.

[Ken]

Partisanship as a determinant of health...

In a JAMA Internal Medicine study published yesterday https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamain ... le/2807617 researchers examined death rates by voter registration in Ohio and Florida during the first 21 months of the COVID pandemic. They found that there was no differential death rate by partisan identity when there were no vaccines. However, as soon as vaccines became widely available to the adult population differential death rates were observed:

After May 1, 2021, when vaccines were available to all adults, the excess death rate gap between Republican and Democratic voters widened from −0.9 percentage point (95% PI, −2.5 to 0.3 percentage points) to 7.7 percentage points (95% PI, 6.0-9.3 percentage points) in the adjusted analysis; the excess death rate among Republican voters was 43% higher than the excess death rate among Democratic voters. The gap in excess death rates between Republican and Democratic voters was larger in counties with lower vaccination rates and was primarily noted in voters residing in Ohio.

[Josh]

Partisanship as a determinant of health...

In a JAMA Internal Medicine study published yesterday https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamain ... le/2807617 researchers examined death rates by voter registration in Ohio and Florida during the first 21 months of the COVID pandemic. They found that there was no differential death rate by partisan identity when there were no vaccines. However, as soon as vaccines became widely available to the adult population differential death rates were observed:

After May 1, 2021, when vaccines were available to all adults, the excess death rate gap between Republican and Democratic voters widened from −0.9 percentage point (95% PI, −2.5 to 0.3 percentage points) to 7.7 percentage points (95% PI, 6.0-9.3 percentage points) in the adjusted analysis; the excess death rate among Republican voters was 43% higher than the excess death rate among Democratic voters. The gap in excess death rates between Republican and Democratic voters was larger in counties with lower vaccination rates and was primarily noted in voters residing in Ohio.

Since you've decided to pollute yet another thread with partisanship, how about you trot out the differential in mental health between, say, women who vote Democratic and women who vote Republican? (It's a gap of about 12 points, by the way (Gallup 2007).)

I think this degree of partisanship is crass and unbecoming, and it reveals a mindset and an identity that my political party is "better" and people who aren't of it are "stupid", "low IQ", "ignorant", "unhealthy". It is a horrible way to divide up people who should be your countrymen, neighbours, and brothers.

Edit: I would be fine if both Ken's post above and my post were moved to the Politics subforum.

[Ken]

Partisanship as a determinant of health...

In a JAMA Internal Medicine study published yesterday https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamain ... le/2807617 researchers examined death rates by voter registration in Ohio and Florida during the first 21 months of the COVID pandemic. They found that there was no differential death rate by partisan identity when there were no vaccines. However, as soon as vaccines became widely available to the adult population differential death rates were observed:

After May 1, 2021, when vaccines were available to all adults, the excess death rate gap between Republican and Democratic voters widened from −0.9 percentage point (95% PI, −2.5 to 0.3 percentage points) to 7.7 percentage points (95% PI, 6.0-9.3 percentage points) in the adjusted analysis; the excess death rate among Republican voters was 43% higher than the excess death rate among Democratic voters. The gap in excess death rates between Republican and Democratic voters was larger in counties with lower vaccination rates and was primarily noted in voters residing in Ohio.

Since you've decided to pollute yet another thread with partisanship, how about you trot out the differential in mental health between, say, women who vote Democratic and women who vote Republican? (It's a gap of about 12 points, by the way (Gallup 2007).)

I think this degree of partisanship is crass and unbecoming, and it reveals a mindset and an identity that my political party is "better" and people who aren't of it are "stupid", "low IQ", "ignorant", "unhealthy". It is a horrible way to divide up people who should be your countrymen, neighbours, and brothers.

Edit: I would be fine if both Ken's post above and my post were moved to the Politics subforum.

The sciences is clear.

Partisanship led to large variations in COVID vaccination rates which lead to significant differences in COVID death rates. That is an entirely appropriate topic for the subject of this thread. If you are as nonpartisan as you claim, then I'm not sure why you would find the topic remotely difficult.

Sometimes partisanship has real world consequences. This is one of those examples. And no, I don't blame my neighbors and brothers. I blame the fraudsters and liars that they sometimes listen to.

[Valerie]

Partisanship as a determinant of health...

In a JAMA Internal Medicine study published yesterday https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamain ... le/2807617 researchers examined death rates by voter registration in Ohio and Florida during the first 21 months of the COVID pandemic. They found that there was no differential death rate by partisan identity when there were no vaccines. However, as soon as vaccines became widely available to the adult population differential death rates were observed:

Since you've decided to pollute yet another thread with partisanship, how about you trot out the differential in mental health between, say, women who vote Democratic and women who vote Republican? (It's a gap of about 12 points, by the way (Gallup 2007).)

I think this degree of partisanship is crass and unbecoming, and it reveals a mindset and an identity that my political party is "better" and people who aren't of it are "stupid", "low IQ", "ignorant", "unhealthy". It is a horrible way to divide up people who should be your countrymen, neighbours, and brothers.

Edit: I would be fine if both Ken's post above and my post were moved to the Politics subforum.

The sciences is clear.

Partisanship led to large variations in COVID vaccination rates which lead to significant differences in COVID death rates. That is an entirely appropriate topic for the subject of this thread. If you are as nonpartisan as you claim, then I'm not sure why you would find the topic remotely difficult.

Sometimes partisanship has real world consequences. This is one of those examples. And no, I don't blame my neighbors and brothers. I blame the fraudsters and liars that they sometimes listen to.

And we are no more confident in where you get your information- at all.

[Ken]

Since you've decided to pollute yet another thread with partisanship, how about you trot out the differential in mental health between, say, women who vote Democratic and women who vote Republican? (It's a gap of about 12 points, by the way (Gallup 2007).)

I think this degree of partisanship is crass and unbecoming, and it reveals a mindset and an identity that my political party is "better" and people who aren't of it are "stupid", "low IQ", "ignorant", "unhealthy". It is a horrible way to divide up people who should be your countrymen, neighbours, and brothers.

Edit: I would be fine if both Ken's post above and my post were moved to the Politics subforum.

The sciences is clear.

Partisanship led to large variations in COVID vaccination rates which lead to significant differences in COVID death rates. That is an entirely appropriate topic for the subject of this thread. If you are as nonpartisan as you claim, then I'm not sure why you would find the topic remotely difficult.

Sometimes partisanship has real world consequences. This is one of those examples. And no, I don't blame my neighbors and brothers. I blame the fraudsters and liars that they sometimes listen to.

And we are no more confident in where you get your information- at all.

I got this information from the Journal of the American Medical Association which is considered one of the top peer reviewed medical journals in the world along with the Lancet, New England Journal of Medicine, and Annals of Internal Medicine.

Whether you think they are publishing fake or fraudulent science is up to you I suppose.

[Josh]

The sciences is clear.

"Sciences" are not clear on this, at least not in the way you claim. Here is a more accurate statement: "I believe the scientific consensus is clear and agrees with me."

Partisanship led to large variations in COVID vaccination rates which lead to significant differences in COVID death rates. That is an entirely appropriate topic for the subject of this thread. If you are as nonpartisan as you claim, then I'm not sure why you would find the topic remotely difficult.

Again, that is your opinion. There is no actual evidence that "partisanship" or political affiliation somehow leads to more death. (I also find the related studies that being a Democrat makes you more likely to be mentally ill a bit suspect and don't appreciate that kind of divisive rhetoric being inserted into the public debate, even if some statistician can find a way to make such a statement technically true.)

Sometimes partisanship has real world consequences. This is one of those examples. And no, I don't blame my neighbors and brothers. I blame the fraudsters and liars that they sometimes listen to.

Actually, Ken, my perception is that you do seem to blame "partisanship" for almost every evil in the world, yet here on this forum I perceive you as being one of the foremost advocates of divisive partisanship on, well, almost any topic.

[Ken]

Again, that is your opinion. There is no actual evidence that "partisanship" or political affiliation somehow leads to more death. (I also find the related studies that being a Democrat makes you more likely to be mentally ill a bit suspect and don't appreciate that kind of divisive rhetoric being inserted into the public debate, even if some statistician can find a way to make such a statement technically true.)

Yes, there is a statistically significant relationship between partisan leaning and both COVD vaccination rates and COVID death rates. Prior to the availability of vaccines, Republicans and Democrats were dying of COVID at roughly the same rate. After the availability of vaccines, the death rates diverged. That isn't some statistician trying to find a way to make some statement true. It was the same populations before and after. The only difference was vaccination rates.

Which statement do you think is untrue and unsupported by the data?

• That Republicans and Democrats died of COVID at roughly the same rates prior to the introduction of the vaccines
• That once the vaccines became available, Democrats had measurably higher vaccination rates than Republicans
• That after the vaccines were available, Republicans had higher COVID death rates than Republicans.

If you disagree with the conclusions of the study then you must believe one of the above statements is false. Which one?