Major attack on Israel by Hamas

[Robert]

How is this anything but evil? Celebrating the return of murdered children.

[HondurasKeiser]

Nice to see they took the time to lithograph that giant banner celebrating the death of children and their mother. Great use of resources Additionally, I've also heard reported that the coffins were locked and the keys given to the Red Cross do not open the locks.

[HondurasKeiser]

For me personally, as I have two young boys; this is deeply tragic. Yes of course, dead Palestinian children are also tragic, but there's something searing about this picture, something that cuts me to the core. Seth Mandel at The Free Press sums up well my thoughts:

As the “pro-Palestinian” mobs filled the streets of every major city to celebrate Hamas’s slaughter, Jews around the world looked at them dumbfounded; they kidnapped a baby. How much does one have to hate Jews to side with the monsters who kidnap babies? A lot is the answer...

Tragedy all around...

I have tried to be a little quiet and allow Israel room to respond to terrorism, as that seems to fall within the role God has ordained for government. But I notice a difference between Palestinian tragedy and Israeli tragedy. One is documented, I know the names and faces without searching and the other is anonymous. How many names of dead Palestinian children do you know? I can't think of any off hand.

I'm not trying to deflect or minimize Israeli tragedy but rather refuse numbness or ignorance of either one.

I guess where I cannot get myself to the moral equivalency is the fact that had Hamas, and in the case of the Bibas family, mere Gazan civilians, not kidnapped 250+ hostages, the youngest being 9 months old; those unnamed Gazan children would not be dead either.

[barnhart]

For me personally, as I have two young boys; this is deeply tragic. Yes of course, dead Palestinian children are also tragic, but there's something searing about this picture, something that cuts me to the core. Seth Mandel at The Free Press sums up well my thoughts:

Tragedy all around...

I have tried to be a little quiet and allow Israel room to respond to terrorism, as that seems to fall within the role God has ordained for government. But I notice a difference between Palestinian tragedy and Israeli tragedy. One is documented, I know the names and faces without searching and the other is anonymous. How many names of dead Palestinian children do you know? I can't think of any off hand.

I'm not trying to deflect or minimize Israeli tragedy but rather refuse numbness or ignorance of either one.

I guess where I cannot get myself to the moral equivalency is the fact that had Hamas, and in the case of the Bibas family, mere Gazan civilians, not kidnapped 250+ hostages, the youngest being 9 months old; those unnamed Gazan children would not be dead either.

I wouldn't say there is moral equivalence. I just don't want to don't want to erase or minimize either.

[Robert]

Posting here instead of the Cease Fire thread because I doubt Hamas will honor the cease fire. Bringing back dead babies is nothing but monstrous. Gaza has had multiple chances for a two state solution and never wanted it. Their doctrine is the extermination of Jews. They teach their children hatred of Jews even before they go to school. Most Gazans agree and buy into this. A cease fire will not stop this kind of hatred and genocidal goal. This is why no previous cease fires have held. Hamas leadership is willing to sacrifice innocents of Israel and their own to reach these goals. It is a cancer that will not be easily rooted out.

[Robert]

Grok:

On November 28, 1941, Adolf Hitler met with Haj Amin al-Husseini in Berlin. Al-Husseini was a prominent Arab nationalist and Muslim leader in Palestine under the British Mandate. This meeting, documented in German records, was driven by mutual interests: the Nazis sought allies against the British and Jews, while al-Husseini sought support for Arab independence and opposition to Jewish immigration to Palestine. During the meeting, Hitler expressed his intention to fight against Jewish influence and promised that, once German forces reached the Middle East, their goal would include the "destruction of the Jewish element" in the region under British control. Al-Husseini, in turn, offered to rally Arab support for the Axis powers. While this collaboration involved anti-Semitic rhetoric and propaganda, it did not involve Hamas, which emerged decades later.

The connection some might draw between this meeting and Hamas likely arises from ideological or historical narratives. Hamas’s founding charter from 1988 contains anti-Semitic language and references to historical anti-Jewish conspiracy theories, such as the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, which were also circulated by Nazi propaganda. Additionally, some scholars and commentators point to al-Husseini’s ties to the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt (where he found support after the war) as an indirect link, since Hamas later emerged from that same movement.

[Robert]

https://www.npr.org/2025/02/21/g-s1-500 ... s-hostages

TEL AVIV, Israel — The Israeli military said Friday that the body of a hostage returned a day earlier is not the mother of two young boys whose bodies were also released by the Palestinian militant group Hamas under a ceasefire deal.

"This is a violation of utmost severity by the Hamas terrorist organization," the Israeli military said in a statement.

Elsewhere, three empty buses exploded Thursday night in a southern suburb of Tel Aviv in a suspected terror attack and Israel's prime minister ordered the military to conduct an operation in the occupied West Bank. No casualties were reported in the explosions and there was no claim of responsibility.

Hamas said the bodies of four hostages returned to Israel Thursday were those of Shiri Bibas, 32, her two sons Ariel and Kfir, ages 4 years and 9 months, respectively, when captured, and Oded Lifshitz, 83. All were taken hostage from Kibbutz Nir Oz during the Oct. 7, 2023, Hamas-led attack.

Hamas claimed all the hostages were killed in Israeli air strikes during the Gaza war. But the Israeli military said forensic testing proved the hostages were all killed by their "captors," but did not specify how.

[Robert]

[JohnL]

Barbaric!!!!

[JimFoxvog]

Barbaric!!!!

If true, yes. Seems like standard war propaganda to me. That is a little less barbaric.