Josh wrote: ↑Sat Nov 13, 2021 2:32 pm
Lots of vaccines (including one of the covid vaccines in America) use newer stem cell lines, including one made as recently as 1995. That should be pause for concern.
I don’t want to use therapies made from foetal cells. Period. Aspirin and other drugs invented in 1899 aren’t involved with stem cells. Virtually any new therapy in 2021 is. That’s what I’m concerned with.
This has no end. Eventually, we will have therapies based on fresh aborted tissue (it has a lot of advantages, just like harvesting organs from prisoners does). I think we should categorically reject that now.
Imagine a world where conventional vaccines like SinoVac were available with no stem cells. Folks like Soloist and I would gladly go and get vaccinated. (Instead, I’m planning to do so whenever I can make it to Brazil - which may be a while.)
Wouldn’t you rather live in that world?
To a lot of the research, there are other options besides stem cell research. There is just no desire to develop the protocols for it. This will have to be made law to force them to shift. One of the few times I would support more government control. This is a civil rights and moral issue. One can not legislate morality, but we have laws that say you can not kill others without reason. This should be part of that.
I agree. If a non stem cell vaccine were available I would already be vaccinated.
(Nowadays, I see no need to get vaccinated - my health is fine and my family’s is fine, and I no longer am interested in experimental mRNA treatments. But I would take a conventional attenuated or killed virus vaccine.)
mike wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 8:28 am
There is a significant difference between the trends from now and a year ago. Last year this time, Covid cases were trending up sharply for the big wave we saw in the winter. Now, although the decrease has slowed, and we even saw a slight uptick for a bit in the last few weeks, the numbers are still trending down generally.
It would be nice to know how much natural immunity played in this and how much vaccines played. I am not sure we can really know, but it seems the waves are getting smaller and much more manageable. This is a good thing.
Yes. I'm pretty sure that natural immunity plays a big role, and that vaccines are helping. I think cases have been underreported because of mild or asymptomatic cases ever since the beginning of the pandemic, which means that there is more natural immunity out there than we know about. But the virus is weird, it's different for everybody, we don't know how long immunity from the virus or from vaccines last, among many other unknowns. But the signs seem to point to a weakening virus.
Or a strengthening one that doesn’t kill you or give you really bad symptoms - just like other coronaviruses like the common cold.
Josh wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 8:39 am
Or a strengthening one that doesn’t kill you or give you really bad symptoms - just like other coronaviruses like the common cold.
The age of biowarfare has just started.
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nett wrote: ↑Sun Nov 14, 2021 5:14 pm
I do wonder how much longer does this goes on before the narrative shifts to acknowledging that the vaccines are basically a total failure?
I think total failure is extreme language. There is a benefit to elderly and those in high risk categories. I do not think it should be used on children and younger, healthy adults. I think early treatment would be much better for them.
You're correct, assuming that there are not devastating long term side effects, like damage to your DNA, or immune system deficiencies.
I think we're already seeing conclusive evidence of long term side effects, hence my strong language.
Of the new infections reported Sunday, 300 cases involved people who are unvaccinated, 24 were in those partially vaccinated and 42 were in individuals whose vaccination status is unknown. The remaining 300 infections involved people who are fully vaccinated.
Health experts have noted the number of COVID-19 infections identified in fully vaccinated individuals will naturally increase as more people get both of their shots. Vaccination helps reduce the risk of severe symptoms related to COVID-19 as well as hospitalization.
In Ontario news today. Not quite sure how that works in an effective vaccine, but we'll trust the experts. [/sarcasm]
Maybe the vaccine advocates here could explain what is going on in Singapore. Despite the total vaccination (not just adults) rate sitting at 83%, COVID is raging worse than every there, which cases, hospitalizations and deaths hitting all time highs.
Maybe it's only unvaccinated people getting sick, you say?
Josh wrote: ↑Mon Nov 15, 2021 8:39 am
Or a strengthening one that doesn’t kill you or give you really bad symptoms - just like other coronaviruses like the common cold.
The age of biowarfare has just started.
She was an early whistleblower that was claiming this a while back. Here is a more direct interview with some really strong claims. It is not easy to validate her claims, but are worth considering and I think they sound very plausible.
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It looks to me like we're heading into this winter's wave of covid. The good news is that we are at about half of the case count of last year this time.
With winter closing in and coronavirus case rates creeping up once again, White House chief medical adviser Dr. Anthony Fauci is warning that the vaccines' waning immunity combined with the highly transmissible delta variant will make for a "double whammy" that will impact "even the vaccinated people."
"The somewhat unnerving aspect of it is that if you keep the level of dynamics of the virus in the community at a high level -- obviously the people who are most most vulnerable are the unvaccinated -- but when you have a virus as transmissible as delta, in the context of waning immunity, that dynamic is going to negatively impact even the vaccinated people. So it's a double whammy," Fauci said in a pretaped interview aired at the 2021 STAT Summit Tuesday afternoon.
"You're going to see breakthrough infections, even more so than we see now among the vaccinated," he added.
