Of course…but what would the mortality rate be without the flu vaccine and traffic safety laws? This is about mitigating risk. It’s impossible to get rid of all risk?
The "fear" quips are really disturbing to me. Nobody is listening. People are just talking at each other most of the time.Szdfan wrote: ↑Sun Oct 31, 2021 9:18 pmOf course…but what would the mortality rate be without the flu vaccine and traffic safety laws? This is about mitigating risk. It’s impossible to get rid of all risk?
Do you drive at 90 miles an hour and refuse to wear a seatbelt because otherwise you’re “living in fear?”
I'm not sure if this is what you are looking for? It is not a study but a daily tracking from the Province of Ontario.
What are some of these nirvanas you have in mind that are better than the US?
So are you eating a low carb, high vegetable and meat diet? Are you keeping your processed sugar intake low? Are you doing all the things that will lower your risks of illness? No, it doesn't mean you will not have illness, but it lowers the risk.Szdfan wrote: ↑Sun Oct 31, 2021 9:18 pm
Of course…but what would the mortality rate be without the flu vaccine and traffic safety laws? This is about mitigating risk. It’s impossible to get rid of all risk?
Do you drive at 90 miles an hour and refuse to wear a seatbelt because otherwise you’re “living in fear?”
Every single study I've seen suggests higher rates and Israel's studies were showing higher numbers
Actually, I've lost considerable amount of weight over the past couple of years to the point I'm having problems keeping my pants up.Robert wrote: ↑Sun Oct 31, 2021 11:20 pmSo are you eating a low carb, high vegetable and meat diet? Are you keeping your processed sugar intake low? Are you doing all the things that will lower your risks of illness? No, it doesn't mean you will not have illness, but it lowers the risk.Szdfan wrote: ↑Sun Oct 31, 2021 9:18 pm
Of course…but what would the mortality rate be without the flu vaccine and traffic safety laws? This is about mitigating risk. It’s impossible to get rid of all risk?
Do you drive at 90 miles an hour and refuse to wear a seatbelt because otherwise you’re “living in fear?”
How is your BMI? No, I don't really want you to respond to this question.
Without a doubt, a healthy body helps reduce risk from coronavirus, but it also strikes me as a kind of hubris to assume that oneself is soooo healthy that they are not at risk from serious complicatipons with coronovrius. I don't know what Jeff's sister's health was like, but she was only thirty-six years old.Why use a vaccine when there are other ways to strengthen our immune system?
Medical missions are a significant part of the legacy of Mennonites in Colorado. The Mennonites ran a TB sanitarium in Swink in the 1920's and later operated several hospitals throughout Colorado.If I remember correctly, before any vaccines were available, many Christians served as care givers for those sick from other pandemics. They lived their lives in faith, not fear. Why do we hide from this pandemic when many before us lived in the midst giving their lives to help others.
I feel like you keep painting me as anti-vaccine. I am not. I am supportive of it for high risk people. I still think we have not run long enough trials and studied it in children long enough to know for sure. The Covid vaccines are a new type. mRNA vaccines are brand new. We do not really know the long term consequences. My position is high risk people can be a good study to see how things progress. If the death rates were higher, I would advocate for everyone to get the vaccine. They are not, especially in children. I think further study and time is needed since we are not pressed to save massive number of children. Those with high risk can and should get it. The 99% who are healthy and not high risk should not.Szdfan wrote: ↑Mon Nov 01, 2021 9:25 am I am perplexed by this view that taking a vaccine or other precautions is "hiding" from a padanemic. Do you really believe that the world would be better if TB or polio and other illnesses that have been almost erradicated by vaccines were allowed to spread throughout society?
We probably are talking past each other, as Ernie says.Robert wrote: ↑Mon Nov 01, 2021 10:05 amI feel like you keep painting me as anti-vaccine. I am not. I am supportive of it for high risk people. I still think we have not run long enough trials and studied it in children long enough to know for sure. The Covid vaccines are a new type. mRNA vaccines are brand new. We do not really know the long term consequences. My position is high risk people can be a good study to see how things progress. If the death rates were higher, I would advocate for everyone to get the vaccine. They are not, especially in children. I think further study and time is needed since we are not pressed to save massive number of children. Those with high risk can and should get it. The 99% who are healthy and not high risk should not.Szdfan wrote: ↑Mon Nov 01, 2021 9:25 am I am perplexed by this view that taking a vaccine or other precautions is "hiding" from a padanemic. Do you really believe that the world would be better if TB or polio and other illnesses that have been almost erradicated by vaccines were allowed to spread throughout society?
It is not an either/or for me. I think we should go forward, just carefully. I have stated this multiple times before. Seems to be ignored and my statements made into extreme statements. Not sure why.
