JohnL wrote: ↑Sat Mar 28, 2026 4:51 am
Well now “treason” is a word that gets tossed around a lot whenever one side doesn’t like what the other side is doing here in the good ol’ US of A. Ohio Jones will like this for its precision. Did you know that the US Constitution differentiates the legal definitions between treason, sedition, and insurrection?
Here’s a good article on the only 15 people who were ever convicted of treason in the 250 years of US history. It’s interesting because as time passes the definition of treason and the proof required for that conviction has become a lot more rigorous. Notice that there were some who were convicted that were pardoned by Presidents starting with George Washington and others had their sentences were commuted when their cases were re-examined. Every American Convicted of Treason and What Happened Next.
For the record, this is how treason is actually defined in Art 3, sec 3 clause 1 of the US Constitution;
Section 3 Treason
Clause 1 Meaning
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
Attacking the Congress and the Capitol to effectively overthrow the legitimate government in an organized and armed manner surely meets the definition of "levying War" against the United States. You can't call it anything else. I had to dodge roadblocks to get my wife to the Airport, and if you saw the scene in the airport hotel with the mob that came from there. They thought they had "won."
Correction. Illegitimate government.
A fraction of the thousands upon thousands of “peaceful protesters “ stormed in (and police helped) although the legitimate President (Trump) said to be PEACEFUL.
Right from the Ministry of Truth. Eric Blair wrote that story, eh?
I am from the DMV. Some of my friends treated wounded police. The injury’s were substantial. It is all on video tape. They stormed in through police lines. One of my friends was there, for crying out loud. We who actually live there can’t be fooled.
Judas Maccabeus wrote: ↑Sat Mar 28, 2026 2:51 pm
Attacking the Congress and the Capitol to effectively overthrow the legitimate government in an organized and armed manner surely meets the definition of "levying War" against the United States. You can't call it anything else.
Correction. Illegitimate government.
A fraction of the thousands upon thousands of “peaceful protesters “ stormed in (and police helped) although the legitimate President (Trump) said to be PEACEFUL.
You're calling the VP and the Congress "illegitimate government"?
Judas Maccabeus wrote: ↑Sat Mar 28, 2026 2:51 pm
Attacking the Congress and the Capitol to effectively overthrow the legitimate government in an organized and armed manner surely meets the definition of "levying War" against the United States. You can't call it anything else.
Correction. Illegitimate government.
A fraction of the thousands upon thousands of “peaceful protesters “ stormed in (and police helped) although the legitimate President (Trump) said to be PEACEFUL.
You're calling the VP and the Congress "illegitimate government"?
It’s interesting how the only legitimate elections are the ones that Republicans win. Somehow, mysteriously, all those allegations of fraud disappeared when Trump won in 2024. It’s as if the rigged, fraud-filled system just stopped so that Trump could win. Huh.
My hunch is that whenever Democrats win again, we’ll hear all kinds of fraud allegations, but when Republicans do, then…nothing. Funny how that works.
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"Woe to those who make unjust laws, to those who issue oppressive decrees, to deprive the poor of their rights and withhold justice from the oppressed of my people, making widows their prey and robbing the fatherless."
Szdfan wrote: ↑Sun Mar 29, 2026 5:01 am
My hunch is that whenever Democrats win again, we’ll hear all kinds of fraud allegations, but when Republicans do, then…nothing. Funny how that works.
Don't worry. If the Republicans win again, some Democrats will claim fraud. It is widely believed that every Trump accusation is a confession. Here's a discussion of the 2024 fraud claims from a liberal source dismissing them. https://msmagazine.com/2025/06/27/2024- ... -machines/
Szdfan wrote: ↑Sun Mar 29, 2026 5:01 am
It’s interesting how the only legitimate elections are the ones that Republicans win. Somehow, mysteriously, all those allegations of fraud disappeared when Trump won in 2024. It’s as if the rigged, fraud-filled system just stopped so that Trump could win. Huh.
You might have a point. It wasn't just 24 when Trump fraud allegations suddenly disappeared. In the months leading up to the 2016 election he frequently mentioned the election fraud that was going to steal his election. He would say things like, the only way we loose this election is fraud, the Democrats are going to steal it. I found it disturbing at the time but I didn't imagine where he would take that in the future. Of course once he won there was no mention of fraud, it was an "amazing victory".
Assuming this thread is open to other instructive moments in American history, I raise the story of George Nakashima and his grass seated chair.
As a young man he was forced from his career as an architect into a concentration camp. To make the space livable for his family he cut apart excess army cots and fashioned them into furniture, including his famous grass seated chair. After his release he went on to be one of the most honored furniture makers in the US with work on display in museums across the country.
For the rest of his life he continued to make that same chair and they are now worth thousands of dollars. He was quiet about it but his daughter was more open to talk about the experience of being imprisoned for being a racial minority. I think his chair was a quiet protest, a stubborn reminder of injustice in the land of the free.
Another rarely told incident in America history is the debut performance of Marian Anderson, a renowned opera singer. After great success in Europe she returned to America where she was only allowed to sing in segregated venues. After Constitution Hall refused her, Eleanor Roosevelt, the wife of the president, arranged a concert in front of the Lincoln memorial. There is a grainy YouTube video of the event. Under the thoughtful eye of Lincoln, in front of 75,000 people, Anderson walks to the microphone and with a short piano intro sings carefully but with firm determination.
My country tis of thee, sweet land of liberty, of thee I sing
Land where my fathers died, land of the pilgrims pride,
From every mountainside, let freedom ring.
Twenty four years later Martin Luther King would deliver his famous speech at the same spot, following her quiet example.
The third incident I would suggest to raise awareness of current events is the death of Black kettle, the Cheyenne chief famous for pursuing peaceful relationships with settlers. He received the gift of a US flag to commemorate their peace treaty. When US troops marched on his village, they flew the flag along with a white surrender flag. The army attacked and killed indiscriminately anyway. Black Kettle and his wife were shot in the back fleeing across the river.
I suggest these three stories to remind us of the capacity of power and public opinion to overturn basic morality with little concern or reflection. We should learn from such things.
barnhart wrote: ↑Sun Mar 29, 2026 8:10 am
Assuming this thread is open to other instructive moments in American history, I raise the story of George Nakashima
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the experience of being imprisoned for being a racial minority.
He was not imprisoned for being a "racial minority"; he was imprisoned specifically for being Japanese.
Valerie wrote: ↑Sat Mar 28, 2026 5:52 pm
Correction. Illegitimate government.
A fraction of the thousands upon thousands of “peaceful protesters “ stormed in (and police helped) although the legitimate President (Trump) said to be PEACEFUL.
You're calling the VP and the Congress "illegitimate government"?
It’s interesting how the only legitimate elections are the ones that Republicans win. Somehow, mysteriously, all those allegations of fraud disappeared when Trump won in 2024. It’s as if the rigged, fraud-filled system just stopped so that Trump could win. Huh.
My hunch is that whenever Democrats win again, we’ll hear all kinds of fraud allegations, but when Republicans do, then…nothing. Funny how that works.
If the was an election that Biden really won, the American people were very blind to his condition and cannot be trusted to see clearly to vote, but we will never believe he won- Covid helped the election results, proven by the fact after trying relentlessly to take Trump down, he won again, even every swing state.
I’ve been voting 50 years, the 2020 election was first time I knew in my heart of hearts fraudulent voting tipped the scale. Oh I realize democrats never commit fraud, the blue states prove how honest they are. I know it can happen on both sides, Trump at least fairly one this time and that is why we want voter id & in person voting, unlike those who depend on cheating.
