Supreme Court Overturns Roe v. Wade

[Ken]

It’s not clear to me why I’m reading the ruling today was 5-4. Why isn’t it 6-3?

I didn’t know there was rulings 5-1-3 as an option. If that’s the case, then why not a 1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1?

It was exactly like the quote you cited.

They voted 6-3 to uphold the Mississippi law which restricted (but did not completely outlaw) abortions. The question in front of the court was the Mississippi law and not Roe v. Wade.

However only 5 of the 6 conservative Justices signed onto the more expansive opinion to completely overturn Roe, which was not actually something that was in front of the Court.

In other words, Justice Roberts was in favor of a narrow opinion upholding the Mississippi law but not addressing the larger question of Roe. The other 5 justices wanted to throw out Roe all together even though that question wasn't really in front of the court.

Okay I understand that. Would it be disingenuous for the media to call the ruling 6-3? I suppose the best way, is to say the ruling at hand was 6-3, but when discussing overturning Roe, that ruling was 5-4?

Bingo.

Courts generally have the option of making a narrow ruling addressing only the case at hand. Or making a broad ruling that addresses the case at hand by overturning some much larger principle or law. In this case, 5 Justices decided to go big and overturn Roe while one wanted to keep the ruling small and limited to the specific Mississippi law in question.

[Josh]

I’m worried about this country. Like more than I’ve ever worried about it before. I don’t think that we should necessarily have laws according to the majority’s opinion, but this ruling strikes me as something that will bring about a lot of turmoil. The Republicans have a clear majority in the Supreme Court, and most states have legislative districts that give far more power to Republicans, in comparison to the percentage of people actually voting Republican. (See PA as an example. Dems will never have a majority in the state legislative bodies, yet half the time they vote for a Democrat governor and president. Even with redistricting Republicans still have an outsize advantage.)

Are you less worried than you were worried about the millions of babies this country has slaughtered in the last few decades?

So how is this going to work to have the Supreme Court continually roll back rulings that are overwhelmingly favored by the majority of people? People participate in the democracy because they believe it is more or less fair. They believe that the voice of the people matters. What we saw on Jan 6 is what happens when people no longer believe that things are fair and that all voices are being heard.

I’m not thinking there will be riots, but just general societal upheaval. It just seems like a tinder box.

Perhaps you should stop believing the lying press, which is the enemy of the people.

If the majority of Americans want to kill babies, then they will incur God's wrath and judgment. The "voice of the people" does not change the fact murder is wrong.

[Josh]

Bingo.

Courts generally have the option of making a narrow ruling addressing only the case at hand. Or making a broad ruling that addresses the case at hand by overturning some much larger principle or law. In this case, 5 Justices decided to go big and overturn Roe while one wanted to keep the ruling small and limited to the specific Mississippi law in question.

In other words, they did exactly what the original court did when it passed Roe v. Wade in the first place.

[Josh]

I think this decision kicks it back to the states, and individual states will respond differently.

I'm very glad to see Roe overturned. But I think we Christians need to do better if we want to win hearts and minds on this issue. And that means making sure people see us as loving and caring to both single mothers and their children.

As Anabaptists, we are already doing a lot to show that, but it seems even more important now to do what can be done to rescue innocent babies in states that aren't going to pass abortion restrictions, like California or NY state. Christians can have a strong effective witness in those places.

[temporal1]

In other words, they did exactly what the original court did when it passed Roe v. Wade in the first place.

i venture to guess, they ruled with TONS more information than was available with RvW:
1) 50 years of real life wholesale slaughter, resulting from a ruling intended to be “safe, and rare.”
2) Plus, remarkable advances in medical science, including real time videos of the entire gestational process.

The differences are monumental. And science-based. Facts are known. Statistics are known. Damages are known.

i viewed some videos today.

TY SMITH / “BREAKING NEWS! SUPREME COURT STRIKES DOWN ROE VS WADE! WHAAAAT!?” Prepare for violent backlash / 54min


SHAPIRO / The CRAZIEST Leftist Reactions To Roe and Casey Being Overturned / 8min


SHAPIRO/LILA ROSE / "This Is Just The Beginning": Lila Rose and Ben Shapiro React to Roe v. Wade Being Overturned / 8min

[RZehr]

Weird how some want to narrow a specified constitution right, the 2nd Amendment as much as possible or do away with it, while at the same time clutching their pearls over the evaporation of a wholly imagined right, abortion.

[Ernie]

Have any respected institutions given a prediction on how many babies will be born as a result of this?

[temporal1]

Have any respected institutions given a prediction on how many babies will be born as a result of this?

somewhere .. not long ago, there was a brief discussion, with speculation, i think you commented? i’m not sure of the source, but expectations are relatively modest? ..

one factor is availability of abortion pills.

the factor i’m most interested in is:
personal accountability, making responsble choices BEFORE conception, PREVENTING conception, by both females+males.
the worst thing about abortion is how it’s been used as a form of “birth control” - it should have never happened.

in the video above, ^^^ TY SMITH gets into the ideas of abstaining, also, marriage, planning+preparing to care for your babies.
(i know it’s lengthy, and he’s not Anabaptist) - but he has the ear of many people. i hope. i appreciate what he’s doing.

TY SMITH describes a little about how Planned Parenthood is in the business of selling body parts.
He has 2 medical degrees, i don’t know what they are, but his overall life experience is an interesting mix.

i’d like to see significant effort dedicated to BOTH response to unwanted unborn, AND responsible PREVENTION, prevention being optimum for all. (Except for those in the business of selling/buying body parts.)

[Szdfan]

Have any respected institutions given a prediction on how many babies will be born as a result of this?

When Texas recently implemented its ban, the amount of abortions dropped by 10% in the state. I’m seeing estimates of 13-14% drop nationwide post-Roe.

[temporal1]

Have any respected institutions given a prediction on how many babies will be born as a result of this?

This is the post i was remembering: Not as related to your question as i was thinking.

I am very sad about the 63 million children that were murdered since the year I was born.
I am amazed that there is a significant enough conscience against abortion to get this overturned nearly 50 years later. (In addition to murder, it is taking advantage of the weak and vulnerable, something the Lord speaks out often against in the Bible.)
Interestingly, there are atheists against abortion. https://www.americamagazine.org/politic ... man-rights
I'm quite sure the overturning of this ruling, as well as strict limitations in states like Texas and Mississippi will result in less murders and at least some more children will get a chance at life.
What I don't know is whether more babies will be abandoned at dumpsters, and so forth.

This is a time for the Christian church to get really proactive about helping unwanted babies or babies from unfit mothers, to find an adopted home that is Christian and kind!

I agree with Ernie, except that l'm not confident the raw number will be reduced if Roe is overturned. I would expect not much change. DIY, online tutorial solutions will proliferate, clinics will be located across state lines and transportation systems will develop to accommodate demand.

It is suspected that there are 10% less abortions in Texas since laws changed. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/06/upsh ... -data.html
I expect that percentage to get smaller as people wanting abortions find alternatives.

However, even if there are 1% less abortions per year in the USA, that is 6000 babies that will have a chance at life.
That is a number I can still get excited about.

A couple years ago I met a young man whose mother got pregnant while studying at Westpoint. (90% male students and 10% female students. Go figure.)
Anyhow, the mom was the 40th person that year to seek counsel about what to do with her child.
As usual, the counselor gave all the options. Abortion. Adoption. Drop out of college for an unknown length of time. (The first 39 women chose abortion.) The counselor was really bothered by this and decided he needed to offer this mom yet another option.
He offered that if she wanted to raise the child, she could stay at he and his wife's home. She took him up on this offer.
That was about 25 years ago.

The young man got his first introduction to Anabaptists when his biological dad brought him to a "Welcoming People from Non-Anabaptist Background Seminar" at Penn Valley Christian Retreat.

That is where I met him.