Supply Chain Breakdown and Inflation

Things that are not part of politics happening presently and how we approach or address it as Anabaptists.
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Valerie

Re: Supply Chain Breakdown and Inflation

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JimFoxvog wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 7:32 pm
temporal1 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 2:47 pm Congress: Trillions. Righhht. i’m sure ya’ll know just what you’re doing.
I hope you're aware the trillions proposed for the infrastructure bill are much less than the trillions that go to the military. With any moral sense, the funds could just be transferred from where they are harmful to something helpful.
Helpful, as in beauty, is in the eye of the beholder.
What is helpful to some, is considered harmful to others.
What is harmful to some, would be considered helpful to others.

There would be a vast degree of differences of opinion as to what is included in this bill as being helpful, the average person doesn't even know what's in it to be able to claim that it's all helpful. I'm of the opinion if this administration had anything to do with it it would be something to be very very wary of- as in HARMFUL.
There is a reason that his whole numbers are extremely low so there is a huge trust issue into what the American people see as helpful.

You also have to keep in mind that a vast majority of the people who vote feel the need to support the military.
Jesus was not against having a military.
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Valerie

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Ken wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 12:25 pm
Neto wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 9:16 pm
steve-in-kville wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 10:21 am Every anabaptist business owner I have talked to (some quite conservative) has staffing issues. What 18 y/o want to slave away in a wood shop for $15/hour when they could get into the construction trade for $20+ out of the gate?
Around here (Holmes Co.), it's the dog industry that is creating at least some of the labor issues. Someone I know (from our congregation) who works in management at Keim Lumber said that some of the guys take off time to tend to a dog sale, so what used to be their primary job (and primary source of income) has taken second fiddle to the dog business. (Someone else, in talking about the problem of restaurants not being able to depend on the work force of young, unmarried Amish girls, said "Why would they be willing to work evenings & weekends if they can walk into the bank & make a deposit of 'hunt gelt" in the amount of $70,000.00?")
OK, this post raises all kinds of questions, not the least of which is: what is "hunt gelt" in an Amish context* and why are teenage Amish girls walking around with $70,000 worth of cash?

*I have heard the term used to describe the Jewish chocolate coins given to kids at Hanukkah but I'm not familiar with it in an Amish context.
In meeting with an Amish builder a few months ago, he said the number one business in Holmes county is dog breeding. I was really taken aback by that I knew it was a big business but the furniture making businesses that got all of Holmes county and surrounding area are extremely successful. People from all over the country order furniture from the Amish belt furniture businesses.

But we learned in the conversation was that people pay big money for the dogs raised in Holmes county and even have them flown for example from Holmes county to California to someone who wants one of their dogs. We go to Holmes frequently and I always pick up their free publications and there's several pages of classifieds for dogs and I cannot believe how much money they get for dogs!

It is not difficult to see why this works out well for an Amish family to choose that instead of going into other types of businesses. The girls could stay home work with the puppies which they love doing from what I know, they make big money because dogs have almost become an idol actually they probably are one of the idols in America. It does not take the Amish long to figure out what the average Americans will pay big money for.
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temporal1

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Valerie:
.. It is not difficult to see why this works out well for an Amish family to choose that instead of going into other types of businesses.

The girls could stay home work with the puppies which they love doing from what I know, they make big money

:arrow: because dogs have almost become an idol actually they probably are one of the idols in America. :-|

It does not take the Amish long to figure out what the average Americans will pay big money for.

i doubt your observation could be overstated. the price of idol worship is high and will be felt for generations.

“Animal Cruelty Is Now a Federal Offense”
https://www.capitalcriminaldefense.com/ ... l-offense/
There are state laws, the federal law passed.

“Why Are So Many Millennials Opting For Pets, Not Parenthood?”
https://www.forbes.com/sites/erinlowry/ ... arenthood/

“Having Pets Instead Of Kids Should Be Considered A Psychiatric Disorder”
“By deferring kids for ‘fur-babies,’ the dog-boomer generation is missing out on the real joys of parenthood and pets.”
https://thefederalist.com/2017/05/09/pe ... -disorder/

On one hand, i empathize with young peoples’ choices to have dogs, not babies. After all, “human reasoning.”
On the other, for many, i see it as the ultimate greed/self-indulgence. An ultimate result of the “me” culture.

It makes me want to apologize to the generations past, who sacrificed everything, much for the benefit of future generations.
The notion of helping create a better world for the future was tremendous motivation.

Today, it reminds of unworthy children who freely inherit (for instance, a vibrant family business) only to squander it and lose it.
It causes a person to scatch his head, wondering, “why?”

However.
i don’t believe parenting is for everyone. Jesus didn’t.
i think of this when reading reports of parental child neglect, abuse, or murder.

i also get a sense the internet and social media are taking a toll on young psyches. there is so much ugliness projected.
the situation with gov education being so far away from hearts+minds. every baby born is set to be a target for political warfare.

i’d like young people to grasp, today’s world’s noise is “nothing” in comparison to what many former generations were forced to endure, in first person, real life. yet, they did. mostly because of HOPE in their hearts for a better future to come.

the power of propaganda is terrific.

i pray, somehow, the internet, as a tool of destructive propaganda, will be quieted - not by force of the sword! -
by ordinary people rejecting it, saying, “enough!”

i empathize and pray for young people and children. there are thieves out to steal their minds and lives.

many who go all-out for human abortion, would give their very lives for a dog, or other animal, thinking nothing of it.
as they are being taught in the world.
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Ken
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Re: Supply Chain Breakdown and Inflation

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Valerie wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 10:39 am
Ken wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 12:25 pm
Neto wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 9:16 pm

Around here (Holmes Co.), it's the dog industry that is creating at least some of the labor issues. Someone I know (from our congregation) who works in management at Keim Lumber said that some of the guys take off time to tend to a dog sale, so what used to be their primary job (and primary source of income) has taken second fiddle to the dog business. (Someone else, in talking about the problem of restaurants not being able to depend on the work force of young, unmarried Amish girls, said "Why would they be willing to work evenings & weekends if they can walk into the bank & make a deposit of 'hunt gelt" in the amount of $70,000.00?")
OK, this post raises all kinds of questions, not the least of which is: what is "hunt gelt" in an Amish context* and why are teenage Amish girls walking around with $70,000 worth of cash?

*I have heard the term used to describe the Jewish chocolate coins given to kids at Hanukkah but I'm not familiar with it in an Amish context.
In meeting with an Amish builder a few months ago, he said the number one business in Holmes county is dog breeding. I was really taken aback by that I knew it was a big business but the furniture making businesses that got all of Holmes county and surrounding area are extremely successful. People from all over the country order furniture from the Amish belt furniture businesses.

But we learned in the conversation was that people pay big money for the dogs raised in Holmes county and even have them flown for example from Holmes county to California to someone who wants one of their dogs. We go to Holmes frequently and I always pick up their free publications and there's several pages of classifieds for dogs and I cannot believe how much money they get for dogs!

It is not difficult to see why this works out well for an Amish family to choose that instead of going into other types of businesses. The girls could stay home work with the puppies which they love doing from what I know, they make big money because dogs have almost become an idol actually they probably are one of the idols in America. It does not take the Amish long to figure out what the average Americans will pay big money for.
It is any and all species? Or do the Amish specialize in certain breeds of dogs?

Also, do the Amish do horse breeding for profit too? Or are the harness horses that they tend to use themselves not in particular demand with horse fanciers who I suspect are more partial to quarter horses and other horses bred for riding?
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Neto

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Ken wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 12:31 pm
Valerie wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 10:39 am
Ken wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 12:25 pm

OK, this post raises all kinds of questions, not the least of which is: what is "hunt gelt" in an Amish context* and why are teenage Amish girls walking around with $70,000 worth of cash?

*I have heard the term used to describe the Jewish chocolate coins given to kids at Hanukkah but I'm not familiar with it in an Amish context.
In meeting with an Amish builder a few months ago, he said the number one business in Holmes county is dog breeding. I was really taken aback by that I knew it was a big business but the furniture making businesses that got all of Holmes county and surrounding area are extremely successful. People from all over the country order furniture from the Amish belt furniture businesses.

But we learned in the conversation was that people pay big money for the dogs raised in Holmes county and even have them flown for example from Holmes county to California to someone who wants one of their dogs. We go to Holmes frequently and I always pick up their free publications and there's several pages of classifieds for dogs and I cannot believe how much money they get for dogs!

It is not difficult to see why this works out well for an Amish family to choose that instead of going into other types of businesses. The girls could stay home work with the puppies which they love doing from what I know, they make big money because dogs have almost become an idol actually they probably are one of the idols in America. It does not take the Amish long to figure out what the average Americans will pay big money for.
It is any and all species? Or do the Amish specialize in certain breeds of dogs?

Also, do the Amish do horse breeding for profit too? Or are the harness horses that they tend to use themselves not in particular demand with horse fanciers who I suspect are more partial to quarter horses and other horses bred for riding?
I have a business client - Amish - who has Morgans. Another (Amish) client just told me Friday that he is selling his last "hobby" horse (not one made of wood, but kept and raised as an investment/hobby) because he recognizes that it takes time away from his family, and his son has other interests. He said that from the time he was 15 he had this dream to raise horses, but is giving that up for his children. He said that he & his wife are taking the horse to another state to a special sale, and although he didn't tell me what the estimated worth of the horse is, he clearly let on that it is "a lot" (his words).
We have an older member in our congregation who, as an Amishman, had race horses. He told me once that he would buy a horse off of the track at times, one that seemed to have lost his groove. He would work with him, and gradually build up the desire to run again. I've also heard that a fair percentage of the buggy horses here in Holmes County are either former race horses, or are descended from famous race horses. But in contrast, dogs do not need to be trained in order to turn a big profit, so I'd surmise that it is a faster profit process. But it also seems that the interest in horses is more personal, not so much for the money, although that element IS there as well.

I imagine that there are certain breeds for which there is more demand, but there are a lot of different breeds being raised here - large breeds, too, not just the small "lap-dogs" that look like some sort of rat-dog mix.
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Valerie

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Ken wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 12:31 pm
Valerie wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 10:39 am
Ken wrote: ↑Sat Oct 23, 2021 12:25 pm

OK, this post raises all kinds of questions, not the least of which is: what is "hunt gelt" in an Amish context* and why are teenage Amish girls walking around with $70,000 worth of cash?

*I have heard the term used to describe the Jewish chocolate coins given to kids at Hanukkah but I'm not familiar with it in an Amish context.
In meeting with an Amish builder a few months ago, he said the number one business in Holmes county is dog breeding. I was really taken aback by that I knew it was a big business but the furniture making businesses that got all of Holmes county and surrounding area are extremely successful. People from all over the country order furniture from the Amish belt furniture businesses.

But we learned in the conversation was that people pay big money for the dogs raised in Holmes county and even have them flown for example from Holmes county to California to someone who wants one of their dogs. We go to Holmes frequently and I always pick up their free publications and there's several pages of classifieds for dogs and I cannot believe how much money they get for dogs!

It is not difficult to see why this works out well for an Amish family to choose that instead of going into other types of businesses. The girls could stay home work with the puppies which they love doing from what I know, they make big money because dogs have almost become an idol actually they probably are one of the idols in America. It does not take the Amish long to figure out what the average Americans will pay big money for.
It is any and all species? Or do the Amish specialize in certain breeds of dogs?

Also, do the Amish do horse breeding for profit too? Or are the harness horses that they tend to use themselves not in particular demand with horse fanciers who I suspect are more partial to quarter horses and other horses bred for riding?
This is just an example from The bargain Hunter where they can advertise for free: Cavapoo, Mini Australian Shepard, Beagle, 1 yr old Bernese Mountain Dog $4000, 1 yr old AKC Bernese mountain dog female. Read to a tri-color mini poodle do 11:25-21 $10,500 OBO., 1 yr old AKC Bernese mountain dog female bread 9/221 to a tri-colored toy poodle. $7,000.

There is 6.5 pages of classifieds on this publication alone, LOTS of breeds!!

3 partial pages of horses. I spent a little time at one of their horse auctions and they got over $200,000 for one horse
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Re: Supply Chain Breakdown and Inflation

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Neto wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 1:29 pm
Ken wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 12:31 pm
Valerie wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 10:39 am

In meeting with an Amish builder a few months ago, he said the number one business in Holmes county is dog breeding. I was really taken aback by that I knew it was a big business but the furniture making businesses that got all of Holmes county and surrounding area are extremely successful. People from all over the country order furniture from the Amish belt furniture businesses.

But we learned in the conversation was that people pay big money for the dogs raised in Holmes county and even have them flown for example from Holmes county to California to someone who wants one of their dogs. We go to Holmes frequently and I always pick up their free publications and there's several pages of classifieds for dogs and I cannot believe how much money they get for dogs!

It is not difficult to see why this works out well for an Amish family to choose that instead of going into other types of businesses. The girls could stay home work with the puppies which they love doing from what I know, they make big money because dogs have almost become an idol actually they probably are one of the idols in America. It does not take the Amish long to figure out what the average Americans will pay big money for.
It is any and all species? Or do the Amish specialize in certain breeds of dogs?

Also, do the Amish do horse breeding for profit too? Or are the harness horses that they tend to use themselves not in particular demand with horse fanciers who I suspect are more partial to quarter horses and other horses bred for riding?
I have a business client - Amish - who has Morgans. Another (Amish) client just told me Friday that he is selling his last "hobby" horse (not one made of wood, but kept and raised as an investment/hobby) because he recognizes that it takes time away from his family, and his son has other interests. He said that from the time he was 15 he had this dream to raise horses, but is giving that up for his children. He said that he & his wife are taking the horse to another state to a special sale, and although he didn't tell me what the estimated worth of the horse is, he clearly let on that it is "a lot" (his words).
We have an older member in our congregation who, as an Amishman, had race horses. He told me once that he would buy a horse off of the track at times, one that seemed to have lost his groove. He would work with him, and gradually build up the desire to run again. I've also heard that a fair percentage of the buggy horses here in Holmes County are either former race horses, or are descended from famous race horses. But in contrast, dogs do not need to be trained in order to turn a big profit, so I'd surmise that it is a faster profit process. But it also seems that the interest in horses is more personal, not so much for the money, although that element IS there as well.

I imagine that there are certain breeds for which there is more demand, but there are a lot of different breeds being raised here - large breeds, too, not just the small "lap-dogs" that look like some sort of rat-dog mix.
Interesting. I would think the Amish would have a better niche raising horses rather than dogs. I mean frankly, there is endless rural land and rural folks in every corner of the country who could frankly be raising dogs since there isn’t that much capital investment other than the dogs themselves if you live in a rural part of say Kentucky or Nebraska or wherever. Horses are MUCH more of a specialty niche in terms of care, feeding, space, and general expertise. There were a lot of horse breeders in the part of Central Texas where we used to live including some big ranches. But it isn’t something you get into casually. Our oldest daughter went through a horse stage doing lots of riding and working side jobs at various farms and stables so she could get into more riding. So I had a small window into that world. It seems a LOT more labor and capital intensive than dogs with the space you need, stables, feed and medicine expenses, etc. Not to mention the training.

I’m kind of surprised that the Amish seem to have such a monopoly niche with the dogs if there is so much money in it.

I also gotta wonder if they will get into growing pot and hemp if that becomes legalized in Ohio.
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ohio jones

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Ken wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 4:10 pm I also gotta wonder if they will get into growing pot and hemp if that becomes legalized in Ohio.
Well, they do in Pennsylvania.
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steve-in-kville

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Valerie wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 3:23 pm
This is just an example from The bargain Hunter where they can advertise for free: Cavapoo, Mini Australian Shepard, Beagle, 1 yr old Bernese Mountain Dog $4000, 1 yr old AKC Bernese mountain dog female. Read to a tri-color mini poodle do 11:25-21 $10,500 OBO., 1 yr old AKC Bernese mountain dog female bread 9/221 to a tri-colored toy poodle. $7,000.

There is 6.5 pages of classifieds on this publication alone, LOTS of breeds!!

3 partial pages of horses. I spent a little time at one of their horse auctions and they got over $200,000 for one horse
And I can't give away a litter of kittens!
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temporal1

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Valerie:
.. It is not difficult to see why this works out well for an Amish family to choose that instead of going into other types of businesses.

The girls could stay home work with the puppies which they love doing from what I know, they make big money

:arrow: because dogs have almost become an idol actually they probably are one of the idols in America. :-|

It does not take the Amish long to figure out what the average Americans will pay big money for.

Love him or hate him, Fauci’s goose is cooked now. DOGS prevail. Woof!
Powerful organized political blocs/cults and associated lobbies (bullying minorities) run the U.S., top-down with (an iron fist).

“#ArrestFauci trends on Twitter as doctor faces criticism for controversial virus research, testing on dogs”
“Fauci has been widely criticized for allegedly funding inhuman testing on dogs with taxpayer dollars”

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/arrest ... sting-dogs
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