Marxist BLM tries to force innocent diners to bow to them. For Marxists, it's always about control.

Things that are not part of politics happening presently and how we approach or address it as Anabaptists.
ragpicker

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aussieandy wrote:God and country 'Christians' always seem to blame everything on the evil 'Marxists'. Kind of like how the Left blame everything on Nazi hate groups.
No they don’t.

And no they don’t.
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temporal1

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ragpicker posted.
(this is not meant to be in conflict.)
aussieandy wrote:God and country 'Christians' always seem to blame everything on the evil 'Marxists'. Kind of like how the Left blame everything on Nazi hate groups.
That may be, but i’m not aware of any God and country Christians on this forum. There are members i regularly read and respect. i take notice.

For myself, i don’t use the term, “Marxist,” (or Nazis) because i don’t feel i know enough about either. However, i’m comfortable to warn about organized political blocs and cults, of which i’ve witnessed a number in my lifetime, some with catastrophic results.

Today’s warning must also be about preventing public funds from these groups. Gov has the ability to forever-fund that which is not otherwise sustainable, and that which is otherwise unwanted.

Imagine Jim Jones with taxpayer support. :shock:
Not all are as shocking as JJ. Most appear amiable, or even innocuous.

They ALWAYS begin with some attractive premise, then devolve from that point. They become intolerant, then, can become aggressive-violent. People become ensnared, then find it difficult to extract themselves.

These are not matters of Jesus Christ.
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Szdfan

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I saw an excellent question today — how many of you armchair warriors fighting Marxism have actually read Marx?
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Szdfan wrote:I saw an excellent question today — how many of you armchair warriors fighting Marxism have actually read Marx?
It's been 20 years so I don't remember too much. I do remember thinking his predictions of the excesses of capitalism were accurate but the solutions he offered seemed undesirable.
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Szdfan

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barnhart wrote:
Szdfan wrote:I saw an excellent question today — how many of you armchair warriors fighting Marxism have actually read Marx?
It's been 20 years so I don't remember too much. I do remember thinking his predictions of the excesses of capitalism were accurate but the solutions he offered seemed undesirable.
Yeah...his analysis is spot on, his solutions utopian.
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Judas Maccabeus

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Szdfan wrote:I saw an excellent question today — how many of you armchair warriors fighting Marxism have actually read Marx?
I did in college, much of it was spent on value-pricing theory. Utility value verses supply and demand.

J.M.
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Josh

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Szdfan wrote:I saw an excellent question today — how many of you armchair warriors fighting Marxism have actually read Marx?
Quite a bit, and I appreciated most of it. His analysis of 19th century industrialisation and its problems was spot on.

You get bonus points if you’ve read The Union of the Faithful with Christ, one of Marx’s works before he lost his faith.
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Josh wrote: You get bonus points if you’ve read The Union of the Faithful with Christ, one of Marx’s works before he lost his faith.
Interesting. What does he have to say.
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joshuabgood

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Szdfan wrote:I saw an excellent question today — how many of you armchair warriors fighting Marxism have actually read Marx?
Indeed. I read Marx, though it has been quite awhile ago. I have not read the book to which Josh referred, didn't even know it existed, but I am going to take a look. Seems it might be an interesting way of understanding Marx more deeply.
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temporal1

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Josh:
.. You get bonus points if you’ve read The Union of the Faithful with Christ, one of Marx’s works before he lost his faith.
Interesting. i found this link, not sure if contents contain the entire work.
He was only 17, writing a required paper. Was it to satisfy an obligation, or from his young heart?

“Karl Marx: The Union of the Faithful with Christ”
https://www.christiantreasury.org/conte ... ful-christ

From the commentary:
Karl Marx1 wrote a devotional commentary on abiding in Christ that was based upon the fifteenth Chapter of John’s Gospel. He wrote it on August 17, 1835 when he was seventeen years old. At that time, he was attending the Trier Gymnasium and fulfilling the Gymnasium’s religious graduation requirement. What makes this devotional commentary so significant is its stark contrast to his fame and later writings.

It was during his university years that he totally rejected Christianity. He had accepted the philosophy of Hegel, Schelling, and Kant and their arguments against the proofs for the existence of God. His youthful training had left him ill-prepared for the onslaught of skepticism that he encountered during his university years.

Karl Marx traveled down the road from "Only He can save us" to "Religion is the opium of the people." 2 Yet, this road is traveled by many who have been raised in Christian families and taught in our Sunday School. The light and trendy sermons that are preached from our pulpits each Sunday morning don’t equip our youth for the university’s intellectual battleground. Sure, the congregation’s good attendance and kind words may give the pastor a sense of success.
:arrow: But, let’s never forget there are youth who are being slain upon the intellectual battleground because they were not intellectually trained in their home church for the university's battlefield. As soldiers of the cross, battlefield success is the true measure of success. .. ..
Which ends with:
:arrow: .. .. The world might have been spared the ravages of communism, if he had understood the meaning and purpose of Christ's death and resurrection, the proper form of the logical proofs for God’s existence,
and the fact that Hegel, Schelling, and Kant committed logical fallacies in their critiques of theistic proofs.
This is something i’ve wondered about for years.
How it is U.S. youth are so regularly turned away from the families and faith that raised them when they reach college years? - Versus foreign students attending the same universities, exiting with undamaged respect and acceptance of their families and faith? There are exceptions, of course.

More unsettling (for me) is how it’s no longer “the college experience,” but grooming disrespect and rejection of family and faith begins (from the start) - by college, it’s not a shock to freshman university students to witness/experience assault on everything (that got them to that place of higher ed) they accept it as normal, a non-issue.

Armed with degrees, they go out and teach it. One teacher directly influences thousands of students before retirement.

i was unaware when our children went to college. but i noticed, our son, who had been very active and involved in all church experiences, and looked forward to continuing in college, did not attend until a few years after. (when he met a wonderful young woman who was also brought up in church, she continued to attend.) they attend together. he had the intelligence to marry her. :D

i diid not question him about not attending. i prayed. (“raise up a child”) ..

i hope for the best for them. esp growing in faith together.

now that i recognize the pattern, i’m hoping to do a better job of preparing my granddaughter for this battle. it’s a long haul. but, i’m encouraged it’s possible, based on what i’ve witnessed in foreign students.

Being Christian IS being a foreign student in education.
There is need to recognize it and prepare for it.

:arrow: Most of all, to pray for the Holy Spirit to touch hearts, to protect and guide. It’s not just habit, culture, intellectualism. Without the Holy Spirit, the view is gloomy.
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