Supreme Court Overturns Roe v. Wade

[temporal1]

I would not call a D & C an abortion. If the fetus is already dead, I do not see it as one. Maybe terminology needs to change, because this is a necessary medical procedure, not killing an unborn.

I am sure since we can sort it out here, legislators in the various states can also.

Do you know for a fact that these procedures are outlawed for a miscarriage or are you just assuming?

There are widespread lies, exaggerations, fear-mongering.
Medical science and the world have not been stuck in 1970. or 1916. or 1860.

It will take time, adjustments will be made.

Oddly, it’s interesting how pro for-profit abortion supporters view the ruling as, “I KNEW IT.”
While conservatives, including Christians, are mostly surprised, if not dumfounded. Then, hopeful.

Nevertheless, i suspect the noise+drama is much more about upcoming elections, esp fear-mongering about the homosexual bloc.
No present thing in the world is as powerful/bullying as the bloc behind the rainbows. Women (pregnant persons) and babies??!
Give me a break. “Pregnant persons” is one giveaway.

Scratch the surface of any public debate, out flows rainbows.

[temporal1]

Since the 1960’s, the U.S. has experienced GRAND SOCIAL ENGINEERING EXPERIMENTS, often centered on rights of tiny minorities.
These were experiments, i presume, with the best intentions. Still, the tail wags the dog.

Decades later, results are in, and results are mixed. LOTS of losses. LOTS of pain. LOTS of misery.

No gov system is perfect. None. No gov system can guarantee safety+happiness to all, without exception. None.

Murder continues to be a scriptural sin, and grave crime in human law.
Some innocent are found guilty, this we know.

However, prosecuting no murderers because of some wrongful convictions, has never been the chosen path.
(Altho, some are working toward this end.) Life sentences are far more common than the Death Penalty.

Regardless, it’s my understanding, SCOTUS is bound to rule on the Constitution, not popular opinion, or even real time results.
The People, The States, are saddled with determining how SCOTUS rulings are lived.

In this case, as in Illinois, preparations to cater to for-profit abortion corporations have been underway for years.
The State of Chicago invites a booming abortion business. i presume other states have done likewise.

[temporal1]

No earthly system is perfect.

(imho) the world was better when,
1) banks were gatekeepers of money, i.e., requiring proof of personal accountability before lending;
2) females were gatekeepers of carnal morality, requiring “good intent”/marriage before .. submission.

These were universal truths, with variations, without much exception, regardless of culture, continent, faith.
Unsecured credit cards/debt were the downfall of banks; free+cheap birth control cheapened women+offspring.

[Ken]

Since the 1960’s, the U.S. has experienced GRAND SOCIAL ENGINEERING EXPERIMENTS, often centered on rights of tiny minorities.
These were experiments, i presume, with the best intentions. Still, the tail wags the dog.

Mennonites are a "tiny minority" too.

[temporal1]

Since the 1960’s, the U.S. has experienced GRAND SOCIAL ENGINEERING EXPERIMENTS, often centered on rights of tiny minorities.
These were experiments, i presume, with the best intentions. Still, the tail wags the dog.

Mennonites are a "tiny minority" too.

True. And a very important distinction.

The U.S. originated on the idea of religious freedom. Essentially, it was about preventing goverment persecution of Christians, and keeping Christians from killing each other. Understandably, not having attended UCLA, they were Christian God centered. At least overall Christian God-fearing.

Along comes the 1960’s, with its understated but radical turn toward viewing gov as god, then, naturally, seeking after gov, not God, for all earthly answers. Quite understated, being (i hope inadvertently) led by a Christian pastor. An imperfect man.

Exploiting MLK Jr’s good intentions, secular organized political blocs formed. One after another.
Of all, the now ultra-powerful homosexual bloc/cult/lobby permeates everything. Everywhere.

The most marvelous aspect of the U.S. remains its politically UNorganized, individuals+groups.

We politically UNorganized (not Mennos alone) are continually pressed to join political bandwagons, made to feel as tho we are nothing+nobody, but, as happens with popular lies, propaganda, the politically UNorganized carry on, regardless of what the world screams.

God recognizes His. God determines outcomes. Scriptures warn, there will be hardships.
i am so thankful scriptures do not promise ease on earth. We need Truth.

[temporal1]

Oxymorons in RvW headlines:

“People will Die” if for-profit corporate abortions (with no purpose except efficient death of human life) are constrained.

a·bor·tion / /əˈbôrSH(ə)n/
noun
1. the deliberate termination of a human pregnancy, most often performed during the first 28 weeks of pregnancy.
"concerns such as abortion and euthanasia"

The industry, its lobbies, truly have people bamboozled.

[Ken]

Since the 1960’s, the U.S. has experienced GRAND SOCIAL ENGINEERING EXPERIMENTS, often centered on rights of tiny minorities.
These were experiments, i presume, with the best intentions. Still, the tail wags the dog.

Mennonites are a "tiny minority" too.

True. And a very important distinction.

The U.S. originated on the idea of religious freedom. Essentially, it was about preventing goverment persecution of Christians, and keeping Christians from killing each other. Understandably, not having attended UCLA, they were Christian God centered. At least overall Christian God-fearing.

This is simply wrong.

Religious freedom is indeed one of the freedoms set out in the Constitution among many many others. But it was not one of the main reasons for the American Revolution and the formation of the United States. The American revolutionaries were not generally fighting for religious freedom and the British colonies were in fact, quite diverse and tolerant of different faiths: Quakers, Puritans, Catholics, Anglicans, Congregationalists, Lutherans, Baptists, etc.

The Declaration of Independence cites 27 different reasons for why Americans were declaring independence from England and forming their own nation. Read them as closely as you want. You will not find religions freedom listed among them. In fact you will not find religion mentioned at all. And the sole mention of "God" in the Declaration of Independence is a Deistic reference, not a Christian one.

[temporal1]

i was thinking of early migrants who were present before the Revolutionary War, those that predated the U.S., that the U.S. was eventually established on. (i wasn’t clear.)

As i understand history, England used the Colonies to throw a lot of unwanted people away. The reasons varied. But the trip was harsh, the land wild, life was hard. Many Quakers were treated so badly in England many migrated to Holland first. i don’t know the pecking order of early Christian denoms, but i don’t believe Catholics led. Quakers were influential and in numbers in early years.

Nevertheless, Christianity was an important factor in Colony life and early U.S. history.
The God referred to was God in the Holy Bible, the most common book available and used in years following the printing press.
The Bible was “communications central” for western Europeans for many years, generously used in children’s education.
Many people learned to read in their family Bible, whether they attended any formal school at all. People knew about the Bible whether they could read or not. It was part of life for everyone, believers or not.

imho, it remains so, but overall denied, not recognized. a matter of deliberate/dedicated ignorance.

i believe it was genius how the founders worded documents to not deny God, to honor+respect God, but avoided being specific about any particular denom, not even naming Jesus, which allowed for Christian independence. i don’t believe other religions or atheism were actually on their radar. life was hard, they were busy, they were dealing with life as it looked at that time.

they weren’t thinking globally.
they weren’t even thinking much about Native Americans, or those arriving from Africa, except as converts to Christianity. they were busy trying to figure out themselves. as imperfect humans do.

[temporal1]

^^ this could tempt me to sign up for twitter.

Fr. Tom Bombadil Retweeted
gráinne mhaol @strategerydept

“the founding fathers would be like what do you mean there are catholics on the supreme court”

[Josh]

First and foremost, I'm happy for the decision because I believe it will save the lives of innocent unborn children. I'd love to see the pro-life camp follow up by quickly promoting more robust social support for those who now will carry their babies to term. Although this is a morally correct opinion in my view, it must also be recognized as a socially and economically disruptive one as well - one that will especially put poor women in a bind.

Secondly, as an Anabaptist, I find distasteful the partisan crowing on the right and raging on the left...and my instinct is to steer clear of it and quietly give thanks, like I do whenever Caesar decides for justice.

The pro life camp already does provide “robust social support”. It is a left wing talking point and a blatant lie that they do not.

With that said, nobody has an obligation to subsidise immoral behaviour.

If a woman wants to give a baby up for adoption, she’ll get paid a lot of money, free medical care, travel expenses etc. and can also choose the family. And most poorer women get free Medicaid, WIC and so forth anyway. The social support for single mothers is incredibly high in this country.