Last Sunday there was a tragic shooting in Sutherland, Texas. 26 people were killed by a mentally person who killed with an semi-automatic weapon. Now many churches are considering what they might do to prevent this from happening to their church. Some are considering letting the pastor carry a weapon. Others are considering having certain laymen carry weapons. Some are considering locking all doors in the building and having a guard at the door.
What are some good solutions to the problem? Should we do nothing and allow people to be killed? Should we have camera's around the grounds to see a potential attack? Should someone be designated to call 911 if there is an attack?
What is your thoughts on solving the problem?
Ken
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Yes, we've been praying for the families. I think that looking for a solution or a way to solve the problem doesn't focus on the real issue. The real issue is that as Christians, we can and should expect martyrdom in certain societies. Look at the Christians in China, the Middle East, and elsewhere. Now that our own society has become increasingly hostile to Christianity we cannot expect to be any different from the persecuted Christians in other parts of the world. As the Apostles before us were martyred in the pagan society of their era, we can expect the same. We call it the crown of martyrdom.
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It doesn't seem to be a common problem. The solution is primarily to be open and fearless, remaining faithful to our call to nonviolence. That is what will draw people to God.
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Years ago there was men targeting Christians, and those Christians would flee. Some would be caught, and later killed.
My feeling is that if we really felt that we were in danger meeting the way we do, we would regularly change the service time and locations around. I think that we intuitively know that the actual likelihood of danger is so infinitely minuscule that we are rightly doing nothing.
My feeling is that if we really felt that we were in danger meeting the way we do, we would regularly change the service time and locations around. I think that we intuitively know that the actual likelihood of danger is so infinitely minuscule that we are rightly doing nothing.
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AMEN! We don't need to be a closed convent of worshippers. If we can't put our trust in God for our safety, then no matter how many howitzers we have, we won't be protected.JimFoxvog wrote:It doesn't seem to be a common problem. The solution is primarily to be open and fearless, remaining faithful to our call to nonviolence. That is what will draw people to God.
I believe that God allows things like this as a test of our faith and trust.
This is the response of some people, I'm sure.Stop going to Baptist churches, they aren't safe places to gather.
I guess Jesus should have been packing, then he wouldn't have been taken captive by the Romans and crucified!
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Our predecessors met danger far worse than this.....yet continued to meet, and indeed preach.RZehr wrote:Years ago there was men targeting Christians, and those Christians would flee. Some would be caught, and later killed.
My feeling is that if we really felt that we were in danger meeting the way we do, we would regularly change the service time and locations around. I think that we intuitively know that the actual likelihood of danger is so infinitely minuscule that we are rightly doing nothing.
As Dean Taylor once observed in a video called "What if..." "sometimes you die."
J.M.
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I agree with most of what was said here. The odds of this happening at any of our churches is miniscule, and so far, at least, law enforcement says that this was not motivated by religious persecution - it was a domestic dispute combined with mental illness and too many guns in the hands of the wrong person.
Still, it's worth knowing what the Houston police department teaches about surviving this kind of attack. They suggest trying the first strategy, then the second only if the first does not work, then the third:
Some churches would call 911, others consider that against their faith.
Being prepared to run, or hide if you can't run, can save you in other places besides church, this can happen in other public spaces. And being prepared to pray is really important too.
And yes, sometimes we die - in fact, every one of us will die sometime. Sometimes we are martyred. Let the way we live in this kind of situation be a witness to our faith.
Still, it's worth knowing what the Houston police department teaches about surviving this kind of attack. They suggest trying the first strategy, then the second only if the first does not work, then the third:
- Run
- Hide
- Fight - this is the part we won't do
Some churches would call 911, others consider that against their faith.
Being prepared to run, or hide if you can't run, can save you in other places besides church, this can happen in other public spaces. And being prepared to pray is really important too.
And yes, sometimes we die - in fact, every one of us will die sometime. Sometimes we are martyred. Let the way we live in this kind of situation be a witness to our faith.
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AMEN & AMEN!Bootstrap wrote:I agree with most of what was said here. The odds of this happening at any of our churches is miniscule, and so far, at least, law enforcement says that this was not motivated by religious persecution - it was a domestic dispute combined with mental illness and too many guns in the hands of the wrong person.
Still, it's worth knowing what the Houston police department teaches about surviving this kind of attack. They suggest trying the first strategy, then the second only if the first does not work, then the third:
We won't fight, of course. But even for people who are packing heat, they say you should run if you can, hide if you can't run, and only fight if the first two options are not possible. They also say that in general trying to persuade a mass shooter not to do it usually just gets you shot.
- Run
- Hide
- Fight - this is the part we won't do
Some churches would call 911, others consider that against their faith.
Being prepared to run, or hide if you can't run, can save you in other places besides church, this can happen in other public spaces. And being prepared to pray is really important too.
And yes, sometimes we die - in fact, every one of us will die sometime. Sometimes we are martyred.Let the way we live in this kind of situation be a witness to our faith.
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Hard for me to think of a better place to be when I leave this world than being in a worship service with other believers worshipping our Lord. From an earthly worship service right into a heavenly one.
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I heard tonight that the Southern Baptist Convention is paying for all the funerals. That's one way to show love, I must say.
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