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RZehr wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2024 10:00 pm

Ken wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2024 9:54 pm But I don't think there was any reporting suggesting this person was trans or transitioning unless I missed it. As I understand it, "nonbinary" means you have decided that you don't fit in either gender category. But it does not mean you are trans or trying to transition from one gender to the other

The original title in the OP link, referred to the person as “Trans”. But I see now that the title has been changed on that news article.

I see that the article now says:
“Editor's note: This story has been updated. It contains descriptions of violence against a nonbinary person.”

Ken wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2024 9:54 pm

Neto wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2024 9:46 pm I am frankly confused by the terminology here. Did she first start identifying as a boy, then later switch to "binary"? That doesn't sound like "trans" to me, but something else. (Not sure what.)

I read the story and couldn't figure out if this child was a biological male or female. But apparently at some point this person decided they were nonbinary which is kind of the "none of the above" category and different from trans. So was not using either male or female pronouns.

But I don't think there was any reporting suggesting this person was trans or transitioning unless I missed it.

Neto wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2024 10:04 pm

Ken wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2024 9:54 pm

Neto wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2024 9:46 pm I am frankly confused by the terminology here. Did she first start identifying as a boy, then later switch to "binary"? That doesn't sound like "trans" to me, but something else. (Not sure what.)

I read the story and couldn't figure out if this child was a biological male or female. But apparently at some point this person decided they were nonbinary which is kind of the "none of the above" category and different from trans. So was not using either male or female pronouns.

But I don't think there was any reporting suggesting this person was trans or transitioning unless I missed it.

I see that just like her parents, I used the wrong term - non-binary, not binary. I got the impression from her parent's apology for using her "deadname" and the "wrong" pronouns, that this latest identification was rather new. Owasso sure is a different place than back when I was in school there. Back then "the latest thing" was about ten years late. Antiwar protests? The Sixties missed that in Owasso. Try the Seventies, around 73 - 74, my senior year. (Yeah, this is 50 years. They are having a reunion, but it's a long ways from here, and it's also at a casino. They can have those if they are run by a tribal authority. This will be in Skiatook, Osage Nation.)

Ken wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2024 9:40 pm

Judas Maccabeus wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2024 9:26 pm

Ken wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2024 9:20 pm

Why would it be news now that it is clear that this person didn't die due to an assault based on their being LGBT?

Approximately 8,000 Americans die on average every single day. Vanishingly few of those deaths are newsworthy and fewer still of national interest.

How rapidly the LGBTIA movement and it’s allies made a big issue of how they “demand answers” and how quickly they fall silent when it does not fit the preferred narrative.

Kind of like the Nashville School Shooter. When will we ever see that manifesto?

Well, the LGBT "movement' didn't publish and circulate the story, the traditional media did. And they didn't decide to drop any follow up. Again, the traditional media did. LGBT activists can stir up a storm on twitter and respond to interviews. But they don't control the media. The media does. So I think your blame is misplaced. Once the traditional media discovered the story wasn't what they thought, they moved on to the next thing and it became yesterday's news.

As for Nashville? Whatever information is released or not released with respect to that case is entirely the purview of the Nashville Police Department, Tennessee State Police, and state AG office. Not "LGBT Activists"

Ken wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2024 9:40 pm
Well, the LGBT "movement' didn't publish and circulate the story, the traditional media did. And they didn't decide to drop any follow up. Again, the traditional media did. LGBT activists can stir up a storm on twitter and respond to interviews. But they don't control the media. The media does. So I think your blame is misplaced. Once the traditional media discovered the story wasn't what they thought, they moved on to the next thing and it became yesterday's news.

Judas Maccabeus wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 10:17 am https://apnews.com/article/nonbinary-st ... nt=rundown
This person appears to have started the fracas and is alert and oriented X3. You have to dig to find this.

RZehr wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 10:18 am Unimportant distinction between the two words in this case - movement and media.
Pretty much one and the same. Just like the right wing movement is one and the same with right wing media.

RZehr wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 10:18 am

Ken wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2024 9:40 pm
Well, the LGBT "movement' didn't publish and circulate the story, the traditional media did. And they didn't decide to drop any follow up. Again, the traditional media did. LGBT activists can stir up a storm on twitter and respond to interviews. But they don't control the media. The media does. So I think your blame is misplaced. Once the traditional media discovered the story wasn't what they thought, they moved on to the next thing and it became yesterday's news.

Unimportant distinction between the two words in this case - movement and media.
Pretty much one and the same. Just like the right wing movement is one and the same with right wing media.

Ken wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 10:43 pm

RZehr wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 10:18 am

Ken wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2024 9:40 pm
Well, the LGBT "movement' didn't publish and circulate the story, the traditional media did. And they didn't decide to drop any follow up. Again, the traditional media did. LGBT activists can stir up a storm on twitter and respond to interviews. But they don't control the media. The media does. So I think your blame is misplaced. Once the traditional media discovered the story wasn't what they thought, they moved on to the next thing and it became yesterday's news.

Unimportant distinction between the two words in this case - movement and media.
Pretty much one and the same. Just like the right wing movement is one and the same with right wing media.

No they are not one and the same. Not even remotely so. Regardless of what you seem to think. We live in a straight world in which the media by far promotes the dominant straight world and LGBT people along with their activist types are nothing but a minor curiosity.

ken_sylvania wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2024 12:35 am

Ken wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 10:43 pm

RZehr wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 10:18 am
Unimportant distinction between the two words in this case - movement and media.
Pretty much one and the same. Just like the right wing movement is one and the same with right wing media.

No they are not one and the same. Not even remotely so. Regardless of what you seem to think. We live in a straight world in which the media by far promotes the dominant straight world and LGBT people along with their activist types are nothing but a minor curiosity.

You really think this story would have been promoted as it was if it hadn't been for the initial implications that this student was attacked and killed because of their gender identity?