War in Gaza

[Josh]

I know there are Palestinian families suffering right now. This is why.

And another reason why.

They broke this young lady's legs; shot her in the head after brutalizing and defiling her. Hamas kept her body as a token and bargaining chip for months, denying her a proper burial and keeping her family in constant torment over their daughter’s resting place. They put her on the back of a pick up and drove around, as a trophy, while Palestinians cheered for her brutal killers. Hamas even called her mother and pretended that she was alive, only to reveal that she had been killed along with over 1,200 other innocent Israelis.


https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/0 ... ered-gaza/

Does any of that justify bombing churches, Danish kitchen workers, or killing young children?

[temporal1]

Does any of that justify bombing churches, Danish kitchen workers, or killing young children?

i fail to see any forum member justifying violence on either side.
discussing facts isn’t justifying violence. i don’t believe any forum member is ambivalent about what’s happening.

regarding the kitchen workers, Israel responded quickly this was a grave mistake, and they made changes within to prevent it in future.

[Grace]

Does any of that justify bombing churches, Danish kitchen workers, or killing young children?

No it doesn't. Especially coming from a non-resistant stand point. War is a horrible thing and my heart breaks for all the innocent people who always die during wars. In this case both the Israelis and the people of Palestine.

[Ken]

In this war there are people on both sides who are cheerleading the killing and massacres of civilians.

Until that changes I doubt much will change. It took the English and Irish about 900 years to figure out how to live at peace in Ireland.

[Josh]

regarding the kitchen workers, Israel responded quickly this was a grave mistake, and they made changes within to prevent it in future.

It's not a "mistake" when a large, powerful military does something like this. Israel's stance has been not to care about civilian casualties in Gaza. They finally got caught when they killed Danish people, who, I'm sorry to say, simply have more clout than Gazans do.

The net effect of this has been very bad for Israel, in terms of their international standing. A lot of countries like Spain don't want to even give ships safe passage to ship arms to Israel. Israel would be a lot better off if they weren't conducting what effectively amounts to a reign of terror against Gazan civilians. They should be focusing on actual war with Hamas, not war against the civilian population.

But the real question is... what's good for Netanyahu's political career? A quick swift end to this war isn't.

[Robert]

Israel's stance has been not to care about civilian casualties in Gaza.

This is not my understanding.

They should be focusing on actual war with Hamas, not war against the civilian population.

It is hard when the civilian population is harboring and helping Hamas. Those who do not willingly help them are forced to help them.

[Josh]

Israel's stance has been not to care about civilian casualties in Gaza.

This is not my understanding.

They should be focusing on actual war with Hamas, not war against the civilian population.

It is hard when the civilian population is harboring and helping Hamas. Those who do not willingly help them are forced to help them.

That doesn't explain bombing a clearly marked truck of Danish cooks and then repeatdly assaulting the Danes when they fled for cover.

[Robert]

That doesn't explain bombing a clearly marked truck of Danish cooks and then repeatdly assaulting the Danes when they fled for cover.

When one studies war, the "fog of war" causes a lot of unintended side effects. The civilian to combatant ratio is much lower in Gaza then the US did in Afghanistan and Iraq, or any other war the US has been in.

This is one of he reasons why war is bad. Innocents do get hurt. Avoiding it is a must. When on side attacks, the other side, to stop continuing attacks uses a concept of overwhelming force on retaliation to convince the other side not to do that any more. I do not like it, but this is what happens. All the Middle East countries know Israel does this. They have done it multiple times due to other attacks. I understand why Israel does it, but that does not mean I agree. It is not a Christian response, but neither Israel or the US are Christian nations.

Jordan, Egypt and Syria has learned. I guess it is Palestine's turn to learn.

[Ernie]

The civilian to combatant ratio is much lower in Gaza then the US did in Afghanistan and Iraq, or any other war the US has been in.

You must be using quite different numbers than what I see.

[Josh]

Hamas is about 20-25k people. Gaza's population is 590k.

For comparison, Israel's armed forces are about 635k and their population is over 9 million. Israel has almost twice as many fighters per civilian compared to Gaza.