Elon musk and his sons

[Thomas_muntzer]

Elon Musk is about to have his thirteenth child with his fourth "baby mama," a supposedly "conservative" online influencer.

Conservative figures are quick to celebrate, calling him "pro-life." He isn't; even dogs do the same.

Conservatism without Christ is as perverse and godless as progressivism.

Let it be known: the family is a divine institution, marriage is sacred, children are a divine gift. And fornication (sex outside the holy bond of marriage) is the corrosive acid that destroys and corrupts all these divine gifts. It is the evil that breeds all other evils, from abortion to sodomy.

– It is not enough to have children: they must be conceived within the blessedness of holy matrimony.
– It is not enough to procreate: children must be raised and educated in a loving home with a father and a mother.

– It's not enough to be "manly": men must channel their manliness toward building holy, functional, Christian families.

Only then will our society change for the better. Until then, we will have serial fornicators, unfaithful men, and non-Christian men as our "icons" and "heroes."

Saint Paul the Apostle:

– "Let not fornication or any impurity or covetousness be mentioned among you, as is fitting for saints. For know this: no fornicator, impure person, or covetous person—which is like an idolater—will have any part in the inheritance of the kingdom of Christ and of God" (Ephesians 5:3, 5)

[Bootstrap]

First Things had a thoughtful article on this:

Elon’s Family Values

A battle has broken out on the American right. Two visions of what it means to have children are contending for supremacy. On one side stands the genetic-determinist right, which celebrates people with “good genes” who have children together inside or outside of wedlock, ideally with the aid of embryo selection and genetic screening. On the other side is the culturalist right, which insists on the importance of marriage and monogamy. The outcome of this battle is more important than most people realize. It will determine which conception of human excellence will guide Western societies in the twenty-first century.

Not so long ago, the right was seen as the bastion of traditionalism, uniformly supportive, in principle if not in practice, of family values. It deplored single mothers and absentee fathers, not merely from religious conviction, but in the belief that the presence of a married mother and father was the best way to ensure that a child would grow up to be happy, productive, and law-abiding. But that view has come under assault—not only from the anti-judgmental left with its rainbow of “family types,” but from new voices on the right who regard genes as the be-all and end-all. Heredity, they insist, is a vastly more powerful predictor of outcomes than parental influence.

FWIW, this also has some interesting echoes in history ...

I don't think eugenics or racial purity are biblical values. Just look at the genealogy of Jesus ...

[Thomas_muntzer]

First Things had a thoughtful article on this:

Elon’s Family Values

A battle has broken out on the American right. Two visions of what it means to have children are contending for supremacy. On one side stands the genetic-determinist right, which celebrates people with “good genes” who have children together inside or outside of wedlock, ideally with the aid of embryo selection and genetic screening. On the other side is the culturalist right, which insists on the importance of marriage and monogamy. The outcome of this battle is more important than most people realize. It will determine which conception of human excellence will guide Western societies in the twenty-first century.

Not so long ago, the right was seen as the bastion of traditionalism, uniformly supportive, in principle if not in practice, of family values. It deplored single mothers and absentee fathers, not merely from religious conviction, but in the belief that the presence of a married mother and father was the best way to ensure that a child would grow up to be happy, productive, and law-abiding. But that view has come under assault—not only from the anti-judgmental left with its rainbow of “family types,” but from new voices on the right who regard genes as the be-all and end-all. Heredity, they insist, is a vastly more powerful predictor of outcomes than parental influence.

FWIW, this also has some interesting echoes in history ...

I don't think eugenics or racial purity are biblical values. Just look at the genealogy of Jesus ...

Yes specially racial purity i think is ok if you have your preferences for a potential partner but the bible is too clear in this salvation is for all ethnic groups

[Bootstrap]

Yes specially racial purity i think is ok if you have your preferences for a potential partner but the bible is too clear in this salvation is for all ethnic groups

Worshiping Musk's "superior genes" and applauding him for procreating indiscriminately to spread them ... that's just wrong.

[Ken]

It isn't enough to just spray your sperm everywhere and rut with any female who will hold still. Any male dog can do do that.

The test for an actual parent is to raise your children and be involved in their lives. From all reports, Elon is an utter failure as a parent and completely absent from most of his children's lives.

[JohnH]

His alleged fourth baby mama is a particularly disgusting character and an indictment against the online right wing. She has been busy working for a right wing outlet lots of people (including plain Mennonites) admire and continues to work there.

She has said very negative things about single mothers. She has said she wants traditional marriage for herself.

Then she goes and decides to get pregnant (according to her own testimony) with a notorious figure who is not faithful to his wives and thinks having children out of wedlock is fine.

Brothers and sisters, before you share that next funny Babylon B picture, ask yourself: is this the example you want to set for your young children? Do you want them to follow in their footsteps? Do you want to see your daughters grew up to be someone who tries to have a baby out of wedlock with the worlds richest man.

[Robert]

I do not look to Mr. Musk for parenting advice, but I do look to him for rocket advice.

That said, there are multiple families I have encountered in and out of church that I would not look to for parenting advice.

[temporal1]

This is a difficult topic, i appreciate it’s being discussed.

In my view, the worst is that fornication, unwed mothers with multiple partners, fathers with multiple mothers and many children, not present for any, not providing for any, has become so NORMALIZED in Western cultures, evidently driven by lib government policies, that Elon’s situation is not shocking/scandalous, he’s different only because he doesn’t deny his children, and he supports them.

Hunter biden and his family were more typical, attempting to deny and reject his daughter. In the White House.

In the past, regular reports would appear about this man or another fathering 20 children with numerous women, not being a husband or father, not supporting any wife or child. These reports have disappeared, presumably, deemed racist, or for whatever reason.
Lying and manipulating unwanted statistics has also been normalized. Easier to lie than to FIX anything!

Another wrinkle is, did Elon fornicate? Or, IVF? i have no way of knowng.
However, he shows no typical signs of hedonism (at all) - unlike hunter, who shows every sign of it.
In Elon’s case, i wouldn’t be surprised if it’s both fornication+IVF. i don’t expect to ever know. It’s not important for me to know.
In his situation, it might be best for the children to not know.

The world is in a terrible place. Definitely wrt carnal sin.

i’m wondering if Elon’s situation might serve as a place to begin to address the decades-long problem that affects so many?
There is an elephant in the living room. It’s been there decades before Elon came along.

Sin hurts.
Today, many are not at all aware they are sinning. Utter ignorance.
It became politically incorrect years ago to suggest carnal sin exists. People are suffering, not knowing why.

Public schools, if not successful in teaching abortion to children+teens, accomodate pregnant children+teens.

Where to begin?

[Judas Maccabeus]

Yes specially racial purity i think is ok if you have your preferences for a potential partner but the bible is too clear in this salvation is for all ethnic groups

Worshiping Musk's "superior genes" and applauding him for procreating indiscriminately to spread them ... that's just wrong.

And Fascist:

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/ ... rn-program

[temporal1]

Yes specially racial purity i think is ok if you have your preferences for a potential partner but the bible is too clear in this salvation is for all ethnic groups

Worshiping Musk's "superior genes" and applauding him for procreating indiscriminately to spread them ... that's just wrong.

i don’t see anywhere in this topic, including the OP, that suggests anything like this. Worshiping, applauding, etc.
Why bunny trail that way? MDR? Musk Derangement Syndrome?

Are all the young men who more literally go about chasing like dogs, being husband/father to none, fascists?
Elon isn’t doing this, leaving the human results to the welfare system and gov.