Coronavirus Outbreak

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RZehr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:18 pm First I’ve heard of this vaccine.

A new vaccine designed to specifically create T-cells against Covid produces a better immune response than the alternatives already in use, according to trial data.

The CoVac-1 jab has been developed and made by academics at the University of Tubingen, in Germany.
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Data suggest that the vaccine, a single shot in the stomach, produces 3.5 times as many T-cells as the Pfizer/BioNTech jab and 20 times as many as the AstraZeneca vaccine. "Furthermore, vaccine-induced T-cell responses were unaffected by current SARS-CoV-2 variants of concern," the scientists said.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/covid-vaccin ... 31929.html
A shot in the stomach?! That doesn’t sound very nice.
there is no evidence that an extreme t-cell response will provide long lasting protection.
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Ken and others have pontificated on whether Simpson's paradox was the reason that Israel faced a nasty COVID outbreak despite their high (at the time) vaccination rate.

Matt Crawford has an excellent analysis of the relevant stats coming out of the UK right now, and he addresses that very subject in an easy to understand breakdown.

It's unfortunate that the CDC has chosen not to track these stats at all, because we have a lot more data, and could make a lot of empirical observations.
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nett wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 9:45 am Ken and others have pontificated on whether Simpson's paradox was the reason that Israel faced a nasty COVID outbreak despite their high (at the time) vaccination rate.

Matt Crawford has an excellent analysis of the relevant stats coming out of the UK right now, and he addresses that very subject in an easy to understand breakdown.

It's unfortunate that the CDC has chosen not to track these stats at all, because we have a lot more data, and could make a lot of empirical observations.
The CDC doesn't track UK stats, but it does track US stats, and this is what the age-adjusted data currently look like for vaccinated and unvaccinated cases and deaths in 22 states that collect enough data to make the distinction:

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Source: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/202 ... cases.html
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Ken wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:04 pm
nett wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 9:45 am Ken and others have pontificated on whether Simpson's paradox was the reason that Israel faced a nasty COVID outbreak despite their high (at the time) vaccination rate.

Matt Crawford has an excellent analysis of the relevant stats coming out of the UK right now, and he addresses that very subject in an easy to understand breakdown.

It's unfortunate that the CDC has chosen not to track these stats at all, because we have a lot more data, and could make a lot of empirical observations.
The CDC doesn't track UK stats, but it does track US stats, and this is what the age-adjusted data currently look like for vaccinated and unvaccinated cases and deaths in 22 states that collect enough data to make the distinction:

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Source: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/202 ... cases.html
22 states and 2 cities. That's not the CDC tracking anything, that's states reporting their own data voluntarily.

Is that graph accurate (which it's not), how do you explain the discrepancy vs the UK data (which is much more thorough)?
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https://www.foxnews.com/health/who-meet ... 19-variant
The World Health Organization is holding a meeting Friday to discuss the dramatic rise in COVID-19 cases in South Africa that has been blamed on a new variant of the virus.

Joe Phaahla, South Africa’s minister of health, identified the new variant as B.1.1.529, and said it seems highly contagious among young people.

The BBC reported that the new variant seems to be the most heavily mutated so far in the outbreak. James Gallagher, the health correspondent, wrote that one scientist described the variant as "horrific." He said the meeting of the WHO will likely result in the variant receiving a Greek code-name, like the delta variant.
U.K. Health Secretary Sajid Javid said there were concerns the new variant "may be more transmissible" than the dominant delta strain, and "the vaccines that we currently have may be less effective" against it.

Grant Shapps, the British transportation secretary, called the move essential, according to Reuters. He said the spike protein was "dramatically different" from the virus that the vaccines were designed to counter.

The Israeli Health Ministry says it has detected the country's first case of a new coronavirus variant in a traveler who returned from Malawi. Naftali Bennett, the prime minister, said the country is close to declaring a state of emergency over the variant.
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There's an outbreak of Covid in the Mennonite community where my parents-in-law are. Many people who had Covid last year have it again, and there has been at least one hospitalization (a friend of mine in his late 40s in excellent health) and one other person I know who my mother in law said is fighting for his life at home, using meds from a Mennonite or formerly Mennonite doctor who is anti-vaccine. It sounds like he probably should be in the hospital.
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Robert wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 9:20 am https://www.foxnews.com/health/who-meet ... 19-variant
The World Health Organization is holding a meeting Friday to discuss the dramatic rise in COVID-19 cases in South Africa that has been blamed on a new variant of the virus.

Joe Phaahla, South Africa’s minister of health, identified the new variant as B.1.1.529, and said it seems highly contagious among young people.

The BBC reported that the new variant seems to be the most heavily mutated so far in the outbreak. James Gallagher, the health correspondent, wrote that one scientist described the variant as "horrific." He said the meeting of the WHO will likely result in the variant receiving a Greek code-name, like the delta variant.
U.K. Health Secretary Sajid Javid said there were concerns the new variant "may be more transmissible" than the dominant delta strain, and "the vaccines that we currently have may be less effective" against it.

Grant Shapps, the British transportation secretary, called the move essential, according to Reuters. He said the spike protein was "dramatically different" from the virus that the vaccines were designed to counter.

The Israeli Health Ministry says it has detected the country's first case of a new coronavirus variant in a traveler who returned from Malawi. Naftali Bennett, the prime minister, said the country is close to declaring a state of emergency over the variant.
Bad News. Hopefully, it is either less contagious or less deadly.
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https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/1 ... deception/

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Fauci Emails: How Top Public Health Officials Spun Tangled Web of Lies Around COVID Origin, Treatments
By Meryl Nass, M.D.

In early 2020, there was a lot of chatter about where the virus, later named SARS-CoV-2, actually came from.

In an excellent, detailed article written earlier this month for the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, former New York Times science writer Nicholas Wade described how two short pieces published in March 2020 — one in The Lancet and one in Nature Medicine — determined how this chatter would be channeled to the public.

These two extraordinarily influential pieces, each published under the heading “correspondence,” were parroted by mainstream media for a year. Both were plainly intended to shut down any discussion of the possibility that the virus originated in a lab.
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https://rescue.substack.com/p/a-judge-s ... pital-step
A Judge Stands up to a Hospital: "Step Aside" and Give a Dying Man Ivermectin
A Chicago-area judge saved a grandfather's life with the single question that exposes hospitals blocking doctors from using a safe, FDA-approved drug: Why?
Sun Ng, a retired contractor from Hong Kong, traveled to Illinois to celebrate his only granddaughter’s first birthday. He got covid and was near death in a Chicago-area hospital. All other options were exhausted, but the hospital refused to give Mr. Ng a generic, FDA-approved drug with an extraordinary safety record that a doctor believed could safe his life.

Finally, a judge asked the right question about ivermectin.

“What’s the downside?”

Put another way: If a man is dying of covid in an ICU and all else has been tried, why not order a hospital to give a safe, last-ditch drug?

Edward Hospital, located near Chicago, offered three arguments as to why Sun Ng, seventy-one, should not be given ivermectin:

There could be side effects.

Ordering ivermectin would violate its policies.

Forcing the issue would be “extraordinary” judicial overreach.

On each argument, DuPage County Circuit Court Judge Paul Fullerton firmly disagreed.

“I can’t think of a more extraordinary situation than when we are talking about a man’s life,” he said in a November 5 decision that is a model of rational decision-making in an irrational era.

“I am not forcing this hospital to do anything other than to step aside,” he continued in a Zoom hearing. “I am just asking—or not asking—I am ordering through the Court’s power to allow Dr. Bain to have the emergency privileges and administer this medicine.”

The hospital ultimately stepped aside. Dr. Alan Bain, an internist, administered a five-day course of 24 milligrams of ivermectin, from November 8 through November 12.

Ng, who with his wife, Ying, had come from Hong Kong to celebrate their granddaughter’s birthday, was able to breathe without a ventilator within five days—he, in fact, removed the endotracheal himself. He left the ICU Tuesday, November 16, and, although confused and weak, was breathing Sunday without supplemental oxygen on a regular hospital floor.

“Every day after ivermectin, there was accelerated and stable improvement,” said Dr. Bain, who administered the drug in two previous court cases after hospitals refused. “Three times we’ve shown something,” he told me. “There’s a signal of benefit for ventilator patients.”

Ng’s remarkable progress stands in sharp relief to the repeated attempts by Edward-Elmhurst Health, the hospital’s managing system, to thwart the use of ivermectin. It succeeded in having the court’s initial November 1 order dismissed by claiming Ng was in better health than his lawsuit contended (he wasn’t). It then defied the November 5 order, saying Dr. Bain was not vaccinated (a negative test resolved the issue).

Moreover, after Ng’s treatment was complete, the hospital system filed notice that it would appeal the order that had already been carried out. It did this even though Sun Ng seemed to have benefited greatly.

The patient’s improvement, or condition generally, did not seem to matter.

At the outset, the hospital argued against court intervention, saying, “Mr. Ng is not terminal at this point.” But it was forced to admit that he had for days teetered on the brink of death after Ng’s daughter and only child, Man Kwan Ng, spoke to a hospital doctor November 3—and took copious notes that were submitted to the court.
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The hospitals make money by killing people. They don’t want patients quickly cured with a cheap and easy and readily available drug.
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