Coronavirus Outbreak

[Ken]

Haha. Ivermectin is SUCH a joke, people who use it are SOOO stupid, let's make funny horse memes about them.

Here's proof from Cochrane, a sold out, corporate shill for pharmaceutical companies, you should definitely trust them.

Right Ken?

Whatever you say. My family is vaccinated and we have proper medical care available so we won’t be cruising the local Tractor Supply looking for black market horse dewormer to make home-brewed Covid remedies based on instructions from a YouTube video.

But you do what you want.

[nett]

Haha. Ivermectin is SUCH a joke, people who use it are SOOO stupid, let's make funny horse memes about them.

Here's proof from Cochrane, a sold out, corporate shill for pharmaceutical companies, you should definitely trust them.

Right Ken?

Whatever you say. My family is vaccinated and we have proper medical care available so we won’t be cruising the local Tractor Supply looking for black market horse dewormer to make home-brewed Covid remedies based on instructions from a YouTube video.

But you do what you want.

It's cruel to make fun of people who are desperate for treatment, when they can't trust the "experts" anymore. Let me remind of some of the "expert" claims.

Maybe you should have compassion for people, instead of sneering at them from your privilege.

• Smoking is safe and healthy
• you shouldn't eat animal fat, you should instead eat sugar, and vegetable fats (trans fat)
• Opiates are not addictive (It's especially nasty to make fun of rednecks as you are, when the "expert" induced opiate epidemic is actively ruining their communities)
• Concentrated Animal Feeding Operations are good for animals and for land
• Strip mining all of the coal out of the earth is a good idea
• Deforestation is good for trees and will definitely not cause issues like flooding, and desertification
• Fracking is safe for the environment
• Thalidomide is safe for pregnant women, and anyone who says otherwise is a crazy wacko (sound familiar?)
• you can be healthy at any size
• boys can decide their girls
• men can get pregnant

[Ken]

Haha. Ivermectin is SUCH a joke, people who use it are SOOO stupid, let's make funny horse memes about them.

Here's proof from Cochrane, a sold out, corporate shill for pharmaceutical companies, you should definitely trust them.

Right Ken?

Whatever you say. My family is vaccinated and we have proper medical care available so we won’t be cruising the local Tractor Supply looking for black market horse dewormer to make home-brewed Covid remedies based on instructions from a YouTube video.

But you do what you want.

It's cruel to make fun of people who are desperate for treatment, when they can't trust the "experts" anymore. Let me remind of some of the "expert" claims.

Vaccines are free and universally available.
Health care and health insurance is heavily subsidized for those with limited means through Medicaid, Medicare, and the ACA.

What percentage of people buying Covid remedies from the veterinary aisle at Tractor Supply chose not to take advantage of either?

[nett]

Whatever you say. My family is vaccinated and we have proper medical care available so we won’t be cruising the local Tractor Supply looking for black market horse dewormer to make home-brewed Covid remedies based on instructions from a YouTube video.

But you do what you want.

It's cruel to make fun of people who are desperate for treatment, when they can't trust the "experts" anymore. Let me remind of some of the "expert" claims.

Vaccines are free and universally available.
Health care and health insurance is heavily subsidized for those with limited means through Medicaid, Medicare, and the ACA.

What percentage of people buying Covid remedies from the veterinary aisle at Tractor Supply chose not to take advantage of either?

Yeah, how well is all that free healthcare working out for them? How healthy are those populations relative to a generation ago?

[Ken]

It's cruel to make fun of people who are desperate for treatment, when they can't trust the "experts" anymore. Let me remind of some of the "expert" claims.

Vaccines are free and universally available.
Health care and health insurance is heavily subsidized for those with limited means through Medicaid, Medicare, and the ACA.

What percentage of people buying Covid remedies from the veterinary aisle at Tractor Supply chose not to take advantage of either?

Yeah, how well is all that free healthcare working out for them? How healthy are those populations relative to a generation ago?

On average, ACCESS to healthcare has dramatically improved relative to a generation ago. And OUTCOMES have improved relative to a decade ago in terms of preventable diseases, mortality rates, cancer death rates, circulatory and heart disease death rates and so forth.

Do we have top quality universal health care like say Japan, Norway, or Switzerland? Of course not. But the curve is bending more in that direction than away. The US is a country full of horrible unhealthy bad habits from how we design our cities to be car-dependent to our reliance on big Ag for processed foods. So it has a long way to go. All change is incremental.

But hey, if you want to treat a “fake disease” with fake medicine be my guest.

[nett]

Vaccines are free and universally available.
Health care and health insurance is heavily subsidized for those with limited means through Medicaid, Medicare, and the ACA.

What percentage of people buying Covid remedies from the veterinary aisle at Tractor Supply chose not to take advantage of either?

Yeah, how well is all that free healthcare working out for them? How healthy are those populations relative to a generation ago?

On average, ACCESS to healthcare has dramatically improved relative to a generation ago. And OUTCOMES have improved relative to a decade ago in terms of preventable diseases, mortality rates, cancer death rates, circulatory and heart disease death rates and so forth.

Do we have top quality universal health care like say Japan, Norway, or Switzerland? Of course not. But the curve is bending more in that direction than away. The US is a country full of horrible unhealthy bad habits from how we design our cities to be car-dependent to our reliance on big Ag for processed foods. So it has a long way to go. All change is incremental.

But hey, if you want to treat a “fake disease” with fake medicine be my guest.

I have no idea what you're trying to say. If you think things are taking a turn for the better, especially in appalachia, you're delusional.

In Japan, suicide is the leading cause of death in men aged 20–44, which is the most important demographic for the future of a country.

The other two countries you mention have a below replacement birth rate, which means they are failing at the most basic level to continue living.

[Bootstrap]

It's cruel to make fun of people who are desperate for treatment, when they can't trust the "experts" anymore. Let me remind of some of the "expert" claims.

My 90 year old mother lives in Kentucky in an assisted living facility. The medical choices other people make can affect how long she will live. I care about Appalachia too. I would like to see people in Appalachia make smart choices. For her sake. And for theirs.

The whole campaign against expertise and knowledge baffles me. A lot of it seems to involve trusting in resentment narratives and polarization narratives over knowledge. If you have a better source of knowledge than medical science for understanding Covid-19, please tell us what it is and show us how to evaluate it.

These bullet point lists of what "experts" have taught are flying around. Some of these are things the real experts were telling us not to believe. And who should we trust instead - non-experts? The loud, arrogant, resentful ignorance we see on some talk shows and Internet sites?

If you think trusting the talking points that fly around the Internet is safer than trusting expert opinion, I disagree. As I see it, Covid-19 is a real illness, the deaths are real, the epidemiology is real, the risks are real. As I see it, some people are choosing to put other people's lives at risk because they choose not to believe in mainstream medicine. During a pandemic. When people are dying.

[Ken]

Yeah, how well is all that free healthcare working out for them? How healthy are those populations relative to a generation ago?

On average, ACCESS to healthcare has dramatically improved relative to a generation ago. And OUTCOMES have improved relative to a decade ago in terms of preventable diseases, mortality rates, cancer death rates, circulatory and heart disease death rates and so forth.

Do we have top quality universal health care like say Japan, Norway, or Switzerland? Of course not. But the curve is bending more in that direction than away. The US is a country full of horrible unhealthy bad habits from how we design our cities to be car-dependent to our reliance on big Ag for processed foods. So it has a long way to go. All change is incremental.

But hey, if you want to treat a “fake disease” with fake medicine be my guest.

I have no idea what you're trying to say. If you think things are taking a turn for the better, especially in appalachia, you're delusional.

In Japan, suicide is the leading cause of death in men aged 20–44, which is the most important demographic for the future of a country.

The other two countries you mention have a below replacement birth rate, which means they are failing at the most basic level to continue living.

I’m saying you have a choice.

You can make the choice favored by a growing majority of Americans and take advantage of the modern public health infrastructure that your tax dollars have paid for starting with getting vaccinated and following basic public health hygiene.

Or you can refuse to believe the pandemic is real, ignore all the prevention methods freely available, and then stagger into Tractor Supply looking for a black market veterinary remedy you saw on YouTube or Facebook when you are in agony and gasping for breath because your lungs are drowning in your own fluids.

You might die either way or you might be fine either way. But I’ll take my chances with modern medicine.

[nett]

On average, ACCESS to healthcare has dramatically improved relative to a generation ago. And OUTCOMES have improved relative to a decade ago in terms of preventable diseases, mortality rates, cancer death rates, circulatory and heart disease death rates and so forth.

Do we have top quality universal health care like say Japan, Norway, or Switzerland? Of course not. But the curve is bending more in that direction than away. The US is a country full of horrible unhealthy bad habits from how we design our cities to be car-dependent to our reliance on big Ag for processed foods. So it has a long way to go. All change is incremental.

But hey, if you want to treat a “fake disease” with fake medicine be my guest.

I have no idea what you're trying to say. If you think things are taking a turn for the better, especially in appalachia, you're delusional.

In Japan, suicide is the leading cause of death in men aged 20–44, which is the most important demographic for the future of a country.

The other two countries you mention have a below replacement birth rate, which means they are failing at the most basic level to continue living.

I’m saying you have a choice.

You can make the choice favored by a growing majority of Americans and take advantage of the modern public health infrastructure that your tax dollars have paid for starting with getting vaccinated and following basic public health hygiene.

Or you can refuse to believe the pandemic is real, ignore all the prevention methods freely available, and then stagger into Tractor Supply looking for a black market veterinary remedy you saw on YouTube or Facebook when you are in agony and gasping for breath because your lungs are drowning in your own fluids.

You might die either way or you might be fine either way. But I’ll take my chances with modern medicine.

I'm not personally in favor of Ivermectin as a COVID treatment, but calling it horse dewormer is pure political theater. That is unless you deny that River blindness was real, and believe that this nobel prize was not not deserved.

Mocking people for being stupid while making inflammatory untrue statements about an amazing medication has no purpose other than to make people like you feel intellectually superior. I think you should reconsider your privilege and what you choose to glorify.

Do you really think those tweets are going to change anyone's mind?

[Bootstrap]

I'm not personally in favor of Ivermectin as a COVID treatment, but calling it horse dewormer is pure political theater.

To me, the entire exchange between you and Ken currently feels like political theater. On both sides. I don't see a lot to learn from in the exchange, I doubt either of you are learning from it.

Feels like there's a lot of giving offense and taking offense in the exchange. On both sides.