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[Soloist]

I used to use the cdc pink book ingredient list, but they have removed fetal cells from some of the vaccines. You now have to reference the FDA product information…

[Judas Maccabeus]

People can have different opinions. There is no one set of "facts" that is entirely agreed on. I can think most vaccines are harmful. You can think they are good. Neither of us can claim the other is "lying".

The problem for you is that what I am stating is verifiable facts, not opinions.

1. Thalodimide was not "dumped" on Germany, it was invented there.
2. No combination Flu/HPV shot exists
3. The number of patients tested in the COVID vaccine trials were 40,000 +, not 50 or so.
4. Full product documentation issued with the COVID-19 vaccine.
5. Drug companies do not "fool" with the formulation of their product, they require approval for every change. (In fact, you cannot change the insert without permission)

These are verifiable facts. The stuff you are coming out with are not facts; they are not even opinions.

[Judas Maccabeus]

I used to use the cdc pink book ingredient list, but they have removed fetal cells from some of the vaccines. You now have to reference the FDA product information…

The PDR used to have everything in one volume, and it included pictures, which were most helpful when a patient had no idea what they were taking, I normally could make a guess and show the pictures.

When did the CDC listing of ingredients change? My wife remembers that book and remembers when it was "pink." Normally, the FDA is the final authority; I would agree that deleting an ingredient is not "cricket."

[Soloist]

I used to use the cdc pink book ingredient list, but they have removed fetal cells from some of the vaccines. You now have to reference the FDA product information…

The PDR used to have everything in one volume, and it included pictures, which were most helpful when a patient had no idea what they were taking, I normally could make a guess and show the pictures.

When did the CDC listing of ingredients change? My wife remembers that book and remembers when it was "pink." Normally, the FDA is the final authority; I would agree that deleting an ingredient is not "cricket."

I don't know when the ingredient list changed, it was something I noticed a few years back when I was checking a combo.

[justme]

i'm not going to address the vaccine argument.
i am going to address something that i found a bit odd.

At the doctor's office recently one of the other patients wanted the HPV vaccine.

I was as surprised as you are (and obviously was not going to ask questions about another patient), so I went and asked an actual medical provider, you know, a "doctor", which as far as I know neither you nor I are.

how would you know what vaccine one of the other patients was asking for? is cleveland clinic that lax in patient privacy?

[Valerie]

i'm not going to address the vaccine argument.
i am going to address something that i found a bit odd.

At the doctor's office recently one of the other patients wanted the HPV vaccine.

I was as surprised as you are (and obviously was not going to ask questions about another patient), so I went and asked an actual medical provider, you know, a "doctor", which as far as I know neither you nor I are.

how would you know what vaccine one of the other patients was asking for? is cleveland clinic that lax in patient privacy?

People in my store talk openly & readily about their vaccines. I have to bite my tongue at times.

[JohnH]

how would you know what vaccine one of the other patients was asking for? is cleveland clinic that lax in patient privacy?

Because I was standing in the hallway by the vaccine freezer and overheard.

There wasn’t a breach of patient privacy since I have absolutely no idea who the patient was.

[Judas Maccabeus]

how would you know what vaccine one of the other patients was asking for? is cleveland clinic that lax in patient privacy?

Because I was standing in the hallway by the vaccine freezer and overheard.

There wasn’t a breach of patient privacy since I have absolutely no idea who the patient was.

What is there a random person anywhere near a vaccine freezer? Unless you are a healthcare provider or clinic staff, you don't belong there and are not authorized to be anywhere near there. This story gets more outlandish with every retelling. I seriously doubt that Cleveland Clinic allows anyone without authorization anywhere near where drugs are stored. As a general rule, such facilities are "controlled areas," and unauthorized people who are found there will be asked to leave and likely escorted out.

By the way, ready-to-use drugs are kept in a refrigerator, not a freezer. Flu vaccines are not shipped to a clinic frozen. They are controlled temperature, not frozen.

[Judas Maccabeus]

i'm not going to address the vaccine argument.
i am going to address something that i found a bit odd.

At the doctor's office recently one of the other patients wanted the HPV vaccine.

I was as surprised as you are (and obviously was not going to ask questions about another patient), so I went and asked an actual medical provider, you know, a "doctor", which as far as I know neither you nor I are.

how would you know what vaccine one of the other patients was asking for? is cleveland clinic that lax in patient privacy?

People in my store talk openly & readily about their vaccines. I have to bite my tongue at times.

You should hear what patients used to discuss in my waiting room. HIPPA does not apply to patients, only providers and their staff.

[Soloist]

What is there a random person anywhere near a vaccine freezer? Unless you are a healthcare provider or clinic staff, you don't belong there and are not authorized to be anywhere near there. This story gets more outlandish with every retelling. I seriously doubt that Cleveland Clinic allows anyone without authorization anywhere near where drugs are stored. As a general rule, such facilities are "controlled areas," and unauthorized people who are found there will be asked to leave and likely escorted out.

Patient rooms are sometimes right next to the fridge or across from it. When I was in general surgery the staff was busy gossiping away about a patient (they did actually identify them…) and the clinic I worked at stored the Lupron in a common hall behind a locked door that was consistently left unlocked…
My doctor’s office back in Oregon had their vaccines stored right in the hall across from the patient rooms.

Likely there is “best practice” and what happens when you aren’t in a custom built facility.