I Timothy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 11, 2022 12:13 pmI'm not buying that explanation. CAM still has a responsibility to stand up and develop policies and procedures to protect their staff. I know people who work in some very dangerous hoods in America, I know what risk mitigation looks like. CAM should the adult in the room and say no to women and children.
It is absurd to call "dangerous hoods in America" comparable to Haiti. Haiti is a place where their own President was assassinated and the government does not have much control at all over much of its own territory. America does not have any violent gangs roaming about, kidnapping people for ransom. In Haiti that is quite common.
You are right, this book isn't financed bya trusted source.
No, you just don't like or trust CAM. I suspect many people who hate conservative Anabaptists and plain Anabaptists also don't like CAM.
Ernie wrote: ↑Sun Sep 11, 2022 11:03 amRegarding the book, it really comes down to whether or not people trust CAM, and many people on MN have indicated that they don't. Had the book been published by an organization they trusted, we would not be having this discussion.
CAM took many steps over the last 3 years to regain trust, including from me. I think that counts for a lot. CAM as an organisation and CAM's supporters have shown that they value transparency, accountability, and are willing to replace bad leadership. That is a lot more than I can say for many other nonprofits.
If CAM chose to follow your advice and forbid women and children from the mission field, are you supposing that men will counsel women on the mission field rather then women? are you supposing that the women in Haiti would be safer if only men went? Or is it your proposal that we only minister to men?
Assuming its actually not about sending women and children, then its just an opinion against CAM... If it is legitimately about sending women into a dangerous area... I completely disagree with you as I would much rather a woman ministering to a woman then a man ministering to a woman.
My church has around 900 members in Haiti. (Some have migrated out of the country to places like Canada already.) It is difficult for brethren to travel to/from Haiti right now.
But I would ask those who think mission work is “too dangerous” to stop and think about the 900 men, women, children, and youth who are already there. They need support and encouragement. If America became a dangerous place, riven by civil war, disasters, and criminal gangs kidnapping people, I would surely want to feel the encouragement of our Haitian brethren.
It would be sad if they said, “America is just too dangerous right now to send anyone there.”
Soloist wrote: ↑Sun Sep 11, 2022 8:55 pm
If CAM chose to follow your advice and forbid women and children from the mission field, are you supposing that men will counsel women on the mission field rather then women? are you supposing that the women in Haiti would be safer if only men went? Or is it your proposal that we only minister to men?
Assuming its actually not about sending women and children, then its just an opinion against CAM... If it is legitimately about sending women into a dangerous area... I completely disagree with you as I would much rather a woman ministering to a woman then a man ministering to a woman.
In the context of known gang areas, yes women and children should stay away.
Soloist wrote: ↑Sun Sep 11, 2022 8:55 pm
If CAM chose to follow your advice and forbid women and children from the mission field, are you supposing that men will counsel women on the mission field rather then women? are you supposing that the women in Haiti would be safer if only men went? Or is it your proposal that we only minister to men?
Assuming its actually not about sending women and children, then its just an opinion against CAM... If it is legitimately about sending women into a dangerous area... I completely disagree with you as I would much rather a woman ministering to a woman then a man ministering to a woman.
In the context of known gang areas, yes women and children should stay away.
The entire country is a “known gang area”.
So are many places in America where a lot of people live. I don’t think Christian mission and relief work should be confined to wealthy or “safe” middle class areas.
I Timothy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:54 pm
In the context of known gang areas, yes women and children should stay away.
Okay... That includes much of any poor area in the USA too.
Perhaps this really is a theological difference, but is my wife and children more important then a Haitian youth or young lady? Are you going to rehome these people?
Soloist wrote: ↑Sun Sep 11, 2022 8:55 pm
If CAM chose to follow your advice and forbid women and children from the mission field, are you supposing that men will counsel women on the mission field rather then women? are you supposing that the women in Haiti would be safer if only men went? Or is it your proposal that we only minister to men?
Assuming its actually not about sending women and children, then its just an opinion against CAM... If it is legitimately about sending women into a dangerous area... I completely disagree with you as I would much rather a woman ministering to a woman then a man ministering to a woman.
In the context of known gang areas, yes women and children should stay away.
The entire country is a “known gang area”.
So are many places in America where a lot of people live. I don’t think Christian mission and relief work should be confined to wealthy or “safe” middle class areas.
Why did the CGICM pull their American staff out of Haiti? Wasn't it because they thought the country was too dangerous?
The Holdeman church in Haiti is a national church, not a mission. The brethren there don’t think it is advised right now for anyone to travel back and forth and they keep facing kidnappings if they even travel outside of their towns / villages.
A number of Americans and Canadians remain - primarily the ones who married a Haitian person and ended up living there.
Josh wrote: ↑Sun Oct 17, 2021 5:46 pm
I would posit that Haiti is a "closed door" for these kind of organisations and "mission work" going forward.
Josh wrote: ↑Sun Sep 11, 2022 9:53 pm
But I would ask those who think mission work is “too dangerous” to stop and think about the 900 men, women, children, and youth who are already there. They need support and encouragement. If America became a dangerous place, riven by civil war, disasters, and criminal gangs kidnapping people, I would surely want to feel the encouragement of our Haitian brethren.
It would be sad if they said, “America is just too dangerous right now to send anyone there.”