Opinion on the Roe v. Wade Leak

[Josh]

It’s already real. There are lots of couples waiting to adopt.

Yes, plenty of homes willing to adopt. What we don't have is enough Christian liaisons to help get these children into homes in a timely manner.

Why don't Churches keep an updated list of member couples who are willing to adopt, and then hospitals can keep a registered list of contact phone numbers, or something like that?

Because hospitals aren’t interested in that. They’d tell you to go to an adoption agency (which typically charges upwards of $40,000).

[nett]

Would the singular vote for "No" care to elaborate on their opinion as to why?

[Ken]

Yes, plenty of homes willing to adopt. What we don't have is enough Christian liaisons to help get these children into homes in a timely manner.

Why don't Churches keep an updated list of member couples who are willing to adopt, and then hospitals can keep a registered list of contact phone numbers, or something like that?

Because hospitals aren’t interested in that. They’d tell you to go to an adoption agency (which typically charges upwards of $40,000).

Hospitals have no authority to eliminate or grant parental rights or perform adoptions.

[Sudsy]

If a fetus is a person and is aborted won't all these fetuses automatically go to heaven ?
If your answer is 'yes' then isn't it a risk to allow every fetus to be born and perhaps end up in hell ?

This type of thinking comes from over emphasizing the individual aspect of salvation at the expense of a doctrine of the kingdom of heaven. God's purposes are to create a kingdom by calling people out of the kingdoms of this world. When we focus on the individual experience or the method over the greater goal, we fall into error.

Not sure I understand, getting old. Does God call people out of this world into His Kingdom without them being born again ?

[Ernie]

If a fetus is a person and is aborted won't all these fetuses automatically go to heaven ?
If your answer is 'yes' then isn't it a risk to allow every fetus to be born and perhaps end up in hell ?

This type of thinking comes from over emphasizing the individual aspect of salvation at the expense of a doctrine of the kingdom of heaven. God's purposes are to create a kingdom by calling people out of the kingdoms of this world. When we focus on the individual experience or the method over the greater goal, we fall into error.

Not sure I understand, getting old. Does God call people out of this world into His Kingdom without them being born again ?

The same reasoning was used by people like George Whitefield (to John Wesley) for why slavery should be reinstituted in Georgia. Whitefield thought slavery was a good thing because some of these heathen from Africa were putting faith in Jesus (and bringing him greater profits on his Georgia plantation.) In short, for Whitefield, the ends justifies the means.
What Whitefield should have done is sold his plantation and funded several missionaries to Africa. I'm guessing that Whitefield is presently begging Abraham to send someone to warn all the professing Christians today who are involved in human trafficking of one sort or another.

[Sudsy]

This type of thinking comes from over emphasizing the individual aspect of salvation at the expense of a doctrine of the kingdom of heaven. God's purposes are to create a kingdom by calling people out of the kingdoms of this world. When we focus on the individual experience or the method over the greater goal, we fall into error.

Not sure I understand, getting old. Does God call people out of this world into His Kingdom without them being born again ?

The same reasoning was used by people like George Whitefield (to John Wesley) for why slavery should be reinstituted in Georgia. Whitefield thought slavery was a good thing because some of these heathen from Africa were putting faith in Jesus (and bringing him greater profits on his Georgia plantation.) In short, for Whitefield, the ends justifies the means.
What Whitefield should have done is sold his plantation and funded several missionaries to Africa. I'm guessing that Whitefield is presently begging Abraham to send someone to warn all the professing Christians today who are involved in human trafficking of one sort or another.

So was Jesus any different in not standing up against the slave system in His day ? Jesus just basically told slave owners and slaves to carry on their state in life as Christ followers and slaves were known to stay on when their time came that they could be 'free'.

Have you read this report on Whitefield ? It gives quite a different view than what you are offering -

https://archives.gcah.org/bitstream/han ... sequence=1

[Josh]

This type of thinking comes from over emphasizing the individual aspect of salvation at the expense of a doctrine of the kingdom of heaven. God's purposes are to create a kingdom by calling people out of the kingdoms of this world. When we focus on the individual experience or the method over the greater goal, we fall into error.

Not sure I understand, getting old. Does God call people out of this world into His Kingdom without them being born again ?

The same reasoning was used by people like George Whitefield (to John Wesley) for why slavery should be reinstituted in Georgia. Whitefield thought slavery was a good thing because some of these heathen from Africa were putting faith in Jesus (and bringing him greater profits on his Georgia plantation.) In short, for Whitefield, the ends justifies the means.
What Whitefield should have done is sold his plantation and funded several missionaries to Africa. I'm guessing that Whitefield is presently begging Abraham to send someone to warn all the professing Christians today who are involved in human trafficking of one sort or another.

The New Testament never describes being a slaveowner as a death sin.

I suppose it does say it’s very bad to enforce someone owing you a debt so maybe that applies.

[temporal1]

Yes, plenty of homes willing to adopt. What we don't have is enough Christian liaisons to help get these children into homes in a timely manner.

Why don't Churches keep an updated list of member couples who are willing to adopt, and then hospitals can keep a registered list of contact phone numbers, or something like that?

Because hospitals aren’t interested in that. They’d tell you to go to an adoption agency (which typically charges upwards of $40,000).

Historically, i believe CHURCHES have played a primary role in adoptions, in formal and less formal ways .. the Catholic Church has various formal services, but, very likely, most pastors of any size or description church are aware of those hoping to adopt, as well as those searching for parents willing to adopt. Church leaders introduce, then the parties retain lawyers for the legal work. These are private arrangements, outside regulated agencies. Word of mouth in churches is another way (i’ve seen work).

In the past, mothers often hoped for Christian traditional family adoptions, and family courts supported this.

[barnhart]

Have you read this report on Whitefield ? It gives quite a different view than what you are offering -

https://archives.gcah.org/bitstream/han ... sequence=1

Whitfield's tender concern for the plight of slaves coupled with his ardent support for slavery to the point he bullied the colony of Georgia into legalizing it has caused scholars to struggle.

Hmm... what scholars, white Methodist apologist scholars? His record seems clear to me.

Your present and past bad usage of them, however ill designed, mat thus far do them good, as to break their wills, increase the sense of their natural misery, and consequently better dispose their minds to accept the redemption wrought out for them by the death and obedience of Jesus Christ.

This is not the gospel of Jesus being preached. Jesus gospel is welcomed by the poor and oppressed as good news. This is a gospel of horrors.

[Sudsy]

Have you read this report on Whitefield ? It gives quite a different view than what you are offering -

https://archives.gcah.org/bitstream/han ... sequence=1

Whitfield's tender concern for the plight of slaves coupled with his ardent support for slavery to the point he bullied the colony of Georgia into legalizing it has caused scholars to struggle.

Hmm... what scholars, white Methodist apologist scholars? His record seems clear to me.

Your present and past bad usage of them, however ill designed, mat thus far do them good, as to break their wills, increase the sense of their natural misery, and consequently better dispose their minds to accept the redemption wrought out for them by the death and obedience of Jesus Christ.

This is not the gospel of Jesus being preached. Jesus gospel is welcomed by the poor and oppressed as good news. This is a gospel of horrors.

I take it you didn't read the entire link. So what about how Jesus advised the slave owners and slaves when He was on earth ? He didn't say refuse to be a slave owner to be saved or slaves rebel against your owners. He talked more about a relationship with God whether being a slave or slave owner that can continue and bring glory to God.

To Whitefield, the answer to the injustice faced by African-American slaves, did not lie in an attack on the institution of slavery, but in the
conversion of the master and the slave. Whitefield was one of many in his day who saw the regeneration of all of the people of the world as both
essential and possible. His treatment of African-Americans fit those two convictions: the two convictions to which he gave his whole life.

Seems to me Jesus had a similar approach to this exerpt above. The salvation of a lost soul is paramount.