Haiti Kidnapping

Things that are not part of politics happening presently and how we approach or address it as Anabaptists.
steve-in-kville

Re: Haiti Kidnapping

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My sources tell me that the hostages are state-side and are now safe.

Alright... I held back saying anything but I can't sit back and just allow this to be painted as a rosy picture to make CAM look like... well, an innocent white lamb. To qualify what I know, we have family that is currently serving in Haiti on a long term basis. We also have distant family who were hostages. I knew of this "release" or "rescue" or "we just walked away" thing long before it broke in the media.

Be careful what you believe. Some of the alleged "rumors" might have some truth behind it. Just be careful....
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Soloist

Re: Haiti Kidnapping

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steve-in-kville wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 10:04 am My sources tell me that the hostages are state-side and are now safe.

Alright... I held back saying anything but I can't sit back and just allow this to be painted as a rosy picture to make CAM look like... well, an innocent white lamb. To qualify what I know, we have family that is currently serving in Haiti on a long term basis. We also have distant family who were hostages. I knew of this "release" or "rescue" or "we just walked away" thing long before it broke in the media.

Be careful what you believe. Some of the alleged "rumors" might have some truth behind it. Just be careful....
why post it? be careful of what? believing good of someone?
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temporal1

Re: Haiti Kidnapping

Post by temporal1 »

Ernie wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 8:38 am CAM plans to do a press conference on Monday. It will be interesting!
The last group of captives were not released by the kidnappers.
Please do not share more information on the web, other than what is shared in public statements by CAM.

There is concern about how this story could affect others still held hostage.
mike wrote: ↑Sat Dec 18, 2021 10:28 pm Nice article from Christianity Today (hat tip: DanZ on Facebook):

https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/ ... eness.html
This article includes more than sufficient details, esp of “how faith sustains” believers.
Nothing is more convincing to the lost than “walking the talk.” Nothing is more encouraging to fellow believers than walking the talk.

i’m reminded of the Ken Miller topics. Just as Jesus promised: There is no substitute for faith.
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steve-in-kville

Re: Haiti Kidnapping

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Soloist wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 10:09 am
steve-in-kville wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 10:04 am My sources tell me that the hostages are state-side and are now safe.

Alright... I held back saying anything but I can't sit back and just allow this to be painted as a rosy picture to make CAM look like... well, an innocent white lamb. To qualify what I know, we have family that is currently serving in Haiti on a long term basis. We also have distant family who were hostages. I knew of this "release" or "rescue" or "we just walked away" thing long before it broke in the media.

Be careful what you believe. Some of the alleged "rumors" might have some truth behind it. Just be careful....
why post it? be careful of what? believing good of someone?
I await Monday's press conference.
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Dan Z

Re: Haiti Kidnapping

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Ernie wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 8:38 am Please do not share more information on the web, other than what is shared in public statements by CAM. There is concern about how this story could affect others still held hostage.
Perhaps...although CAM has shown a real opacity, and a desire to try to control and limit information in times of crisis...sometimes that makes sense, sometimes it doesn't.
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nett
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Re: Haiti Kidnapping

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Dan Z wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 3:45 pm
Ernie wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 8:38 am Please do not share more information on the web, other than what is shared in public statements by CAM. There is concern about how this story could affect others still held hostage.
Perhaps...although CAM has shown a real opacity, and a desire to try to control and limit information in times of crisis...sometimes that makes sense, sometimes it doesn't.
It makes a lot of sense in this specific case.
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Ernie

Re: Haiti Kidnapping

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Dan Z wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 3:45 pm
Ernie wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 8:38 am Please do not share more information on the web, other than what is shared in public statements by CAM. There is concern about how this story could affect others still held hostage.
Perhaps...although CAM has shown a real opacity, and a desire to try to control and limit information in times of crisis...sometimes that makes sense, sometimes it doesn't.
I think that is a fair characterization. As Nett says, this is likely a time when caution is in order.
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GaryK

Re: Haiti Kidnapping

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Ernie wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 4:51 pm
Dan Z wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 3:45 pm
Ernie wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 8:38 am Please do not share more information on the web, other than what is shared in public statements by CAM. There is concern about how this story could affect others still held hostage.
Perhaps...although CAM has shown a real opacity, and a desire to try to control and limit information in times of crisis...sometimes that makes sense, sometimes it doesn't.
I think that is a fair characterization. As Nett says, this is likely a time when caution is in order.
There is apparently a post going around on Facebook by CAM staff Gary Miller detailing the way the hostages gained their freedom. Have you seen that?
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Ernie

Re: Haiti Kidnapping

Post by Ernie »

GaryK wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 9:27 pm
Ernie wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 4:51 pm
Dan Z wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 3:45 pm

Perhaps...although CAM has shown a real opacity, and a desire to try to control and limit information in times of crisis...sometimes that makes sense, sometimes it doesn't.
I think that is a fair characterization. As Nett says, this is likely a time when caution is in order.
There is apparently a post going around on Facebook by CAM staff Gary Miller detailing the way the hostages gained their freedom. Have you seen that?
Yes. It was sent to all CAM associates. I'm not certain that Gary wrote it. ???
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Pelerin

Re: Haiti Kidnapping

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Ernie, CAM is planning a press conference tomorrow morning. Do you know if that will be streamed anywhere. Or if not, will it be recorded?
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