Outcomes of Overturning Roe Vs. Wade

[Josh]

Ms. Cox is 20 weeks pregnant, and her fetus has been diagnosed with trisomy 18, a condition that in all but very rare cases leads to miscarriage, stillbirth or the death of the infant within the first year after birth.

I fail to see why murdering this baby is “medically necessary”.

If she really needs the procedure so badly… she could get in the car, or hop over to the airport, and go to Kansas or California or something.

[NedFlanders]

A pregnant Texas woman is suing the state for a medically necessary abortion due to the vagueness of Texas law. The suit is about to go before the state supreme court.



https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/05/us/t ... =url-share




This is a really tragic story. The parents wanted the baby, but diagnosis of Trisomy 18 means that the fetus will not survive and it poses a risk to the mother's life. However, since Texas's medical exemptions are so vague, doctors will not provide the procedure this mother needs.

Is it always someone else’s fault?

You say they wanted the baby - but then did they ever consider the risks?

The modern world is so delusional that you can have your cake and eat it too.

If you don’t want risk than don’t have sex - simple fix.

Huh?

From the article I cited —

In an interview, Ms. Cox said that she and her husband had been excited at the prospect of a third child joining their 3-year-old daughter and 1-year-old son. The couple only glancingly followed the rapidly shifting legal landscape around abortion in Texas as Roe was overturned and bans went into effect.

“I thought I would never need an abortion,” she said. “I want a big family.”

Exactly. She doesn’t NEED one. She is being ridiculous.

[temporal1]

3 murdered, not 2.
Fully developed human. The unborn child was past 40 weeks, literally on its way to be born in a hospital.

Texas / Father and son charged in killings of pregnant Texas teen and her boyfriend
https://www.aol.com/news/father-son-cha ... 55638.html

.. A conviction for capital murder is punishable by the death penalty or life imprisonment.

The San Antonio Police Department confirmed the charges in a statement and said more charges are pending,
possibly relating to the death of the unborn child. ..

.. Christopher Preciado, 19, was charged with capital murder while his father, 53-year-old Ramon Preciado, was charged with abuse of a corpse for allegedly helping to move the bodies of Savanah Soto, 18, and Matthew Guerra, 22, who were found shot dead in a car. ..

i’ve seen several reports on this, others without mention of the unborn child.

Is this an outcome of overturning RvW?
In the past, in most cases, the murdered unborn would have counted as a homicide, from the start, not as an afterthought.
Even a much younger unborn. This child was past due.

[barnhart]

T1, what is the link you see between criminal law and Roe?

[Ernie]

Mike Atnip makes the case that disallowing abortion will only create more emotionally aborted children like is the case in Latin America. I'm curious whether the repeal of Roe Vs. Wade is already resulting in more emotionally aborted children in the USA.

Mike says the solution is not to sanction abortion, but rather pray for a revival of Christian morality, and work in the direction of adding more people to the kingdom of God. He makes a case for why the work should be happening at the church level, rather than at the civil government level.

https://www.plainnews.org/wp-content/up ... s-MA-1.pdf

[temporal1]

T1, what is the link you see between criminal law and Roe?

sorry. ^^i just noticed this. i don’t have an immediate response.

Mike Atnip makes the case that disallowing abortion will only create more emotionally aborted children like is the case in Latin America. I'm curious whether the repeal of Roe Vs. Wade is already resulting in more emotionally aborted children in the USA.

Mike says the solution is not to sanction abortion, but rather pray for a revival of Christian morality, and work in the direction of adding more people to the kingdom of God. He makes a case for why the work should be happening at the church level, rather than at the civil government level.

https://www.plainnews.org/wp-content/up ... s-MA-1.pdf

i don’t see it as either-or. those who don’t vote or get involved in gov don’t make laws.

reported evidence of the response to the repeal reflects the church has lots to do, ignorance and misery abound.
i’ll guess .. if reports of positives that have occurred following the repeal were wanted, that’s what would be reported.
media bias/propaganda is so great, it’s impossible to know what’s happening. there are profits at stake.

abortions haven’t stopped, that wasn’t the plan. the plan was for states to decide, that’s what’s been happening.
whatever positives there may be are hidden away, dismissed, ignored.

reporting positive experiences could have drastic effect on perceptions.

murder is illegal, there are murders.
i haven’t met anyone who believes murder should be legal because people murder.

sadly, “it’s” not even about morality. “it’s” about corporate profits. remove profits, this would become a non-issue.
services would disappear, people would become personally accountable. there would be exceptions.

An outcome - - ungodly political leveraging: Yes. Truth is needed.
“Please tell me this is not real.”
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[temporal1]

.. reporting positive experiences could have drastic effect on perceptions. ..

literally. the more i think of this, the more convinced i become.
then i wonder who is responsible for this not happening on a routine basis?

[Josh]

I must strongly disagree with Atnip’s reasoning.

Governments should not allow murder. At various times, governments have tolerated or even promoted murder of people they felt were “inconvenient” or else dehumanised them and claimed killing then wasn’t murder:

- Roman times and early America with slaves.
- 1930s Germany killed millions of Jews, Poles, and groups of people like disabled people.
- Present day America kills babies.

This is always wrong. Less murder of the innocent is always good.

Many families want to adopt. Someone at church paid $80,000 to adopt a baby born to a mother on drugs/alcohol. That’s a lot of money.

[HondurasKeiser]

Mike Atnip makes the case that disallowing abortion will only create more emotionally aborted children like is the case in Latin America. I'm curious whether the repeal of Roe Vs. Wade is already resulting in more emotionally aborted children in the USA.

Mike says the solution is not to sanction abortion, but rather pray for a revival of Christian morality, and work in the direction of adding more people to the kingdom of God. He makes a case for why the work should be happening at the church level, rather than at the civil government level.

https://www.plainnews.org/wp-content/up ... s-MA-1.pdf

Perhaps it’s not an either/or choice?

[Josh]

We live in an immoral and godless society.

If we start having a government allowing chattel slavery, or conducting a Holocaust, I would feel VERY CONFIDENT speaking in strong terms against it! Even as I also hoped and prayed to see a revival amongst the people so that they wouldn’t want to own and sell slaves.