Female students assaulted by transgender students in bathroom

Things that are not part of politics happening presently and how we approach or address it as Anabaptists.
temporal1

Re: Female students assaulted by transgender students in bathroom

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Falco Underhill wrote: ↑Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:35 pm
temporal1 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 28, 2021 6:34 pm
Falco Underhill wrote: ↑Tue Oct 26, 2021 4:47 pm According to a Fox News report, "... a male student in a skirt allegedly assaulted a female student in a girls' bathroom –
while the board was considering a controversial transgender rule."
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnew ... r-race.amp

obama talking about world-class ed is a hoot, in itself. :lol: he does this stuff with a straight face. (credit: acting lessons)
more accurate to say, “world class replacement of education” with low-grade lib political activism.

but, is this debate about a “male in a skirt” or about just another female with a (presumably maverick) penis? (as now there are “pregnant men,” evidently, with maverick vaginas+uteri, et al.)

these are males, and females, who are hapless victims of their physical bodies. woe is me. :-|

God uses all things for His purpose. It can be impossible to understand at any given moment. Like now.

HK: yes. :)
I can't remember where, but I just read an article that seriously spoke of "male-bodied persons" and "female-bodied persons." :lol:
"Trust the science."

What’s happening to language, science, history, et al., is convincing a lot of folks that public ed, including college ed, is NOT worth it.
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HondurasKeiser

Re: Female students assaulted by transgender students in bathroom

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Falco Underhill wrote: ↑Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:35 pm
temporal1 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 28, 2021 6:34 pm
Falco Underhill wrote: ↑Tue Oct 26, 2021 4:47 pm According to a Fox News report, "... a male student in a skirt allegedly assaulted a female student in a girls' bathroom –
while the board was considering a controversial transgender rule."
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnew ... r-race.amp

obama talking about world-class ed is a hoot, in itself. :lol: he does this stuff with a straight face. (credit: acting lessons)
more accurate to say, “world class replacement of education” with low-grade lib political activism.

but, is this debate about a “male in a skirt” or about just another female with a (presumably maverick) penis? (as now there are “pregnant men,” evidently, with maverick vaginas+uteri, et al.)

these are males, and females, who are hapless victims of their physical bodies. woe is me. :-|

God uses all things for His purpose. It can be impossible to understand at any given moment. Like now.

HK: yes. :)
I can't remember where, but I just read an article that seriously spoke of "male-bodied persons" and "female-bodied persons." :lol:

"Trust the science."
Perhaps the Yale essay I linked to? It’s an awkward and cumbersome phrase to be sure. But deconstructing things is so much fun though, so…
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SJS
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Re: Female students assaulted by transgender students in bathroom

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appleman2006 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 27, 2021 10:24 am He has now been found guilty in a court of law as I understand it. The reason you do not see this across mainstream media is because it goes against the narrative they have been preaching over the last 5 years. I do not find that surprising but it should disturb all of us.
That some of you are trying to make this as no big deal? I guess I find that not only surprising but very disturbing.
I agree 100%! I find it hard to imagine that anyone would even begin to think that a a policy like this could work in a school. I could be sure, that without a shadow of a doubt, this kind of policy will be extremely abused. I don't want to argue about it, but some of the thoughts on here are very surprising and disturbing to me.
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Re: Female students assaulted by transgender students in bathroom

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SJS wrote: ↑Fri Oct 29, 2021 12:10 am
appleman2006 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 27, 2021 10:24 am He has now been found guilty in a court of law as I understand it. The reason you do not see this across mainstream media is because it goes against the narrative they have been preaching over the last 5 years. I do not find that surprising but it should disturb all of us.
That some of you are trying to make this as no big deal? I guess I find that not only surprising but very disturbing.
I agree 100%! I find it hard to imagine that anyone would even begin to think that a a policy like this could work in a school. I could be sure, that without a shadow of a doubt, this kind of policy will be extremely abused. I don't want to argue about it, but some of the thoughts on here are very surprising and disturbing to me.
This case has actually has been all over the mainstream media including the Washington Post which as mainstream as you can get. Relative to the national coverage that high school rapes get when say an athlete rapes another student I'd say this event has gotten about 1000x more coverage than the average rape that occurs at a high school. How many do you actually think occur every year and how many of those make the national news?

The AP investigated that question several years ago and found reports of over 17,000 cases of sexual assault at American K-12 schools (both public and private) over a 4-year period. How many of those made the news? https://apnews.com/article/sports-only- ... dd6406ebb7

Sexual assault is a huge problem in American schools, both public and private. Sexual assault by transgender students who are legitimately and legally using bathroom accommodations is not. Your disapproval of transgender students is blinding yourself to that reality. I have a high school daughter. I worry about her safety in 100 different ways. But getting assaulted by a transgender student in the bathroom is not one of them.
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MaxPC

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steve-in-kville wrote: ↑Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:15 pm OJ has a good point. I often wonder if things like autism and ADHD have always existed and we didn't know what it was or have a name for it? Or is it our lifestyles and stuff we ingest that causes it? Mental health disorders are like that. Years ago, things like anxiety where cast off as having "bad nerves." Now we have all manner of terms for it.
The Bible addresses all these issues quite clearly so indeed it was recognised and condemned as abomination throughout our history. All verses are ESV:

Genesis 5:2 
Male and female he created them, and he blessed them and named them Man when they were created.

Deuteronomy 22:5 
“A woman shall not wear a man's garment, nor shall a man put on a woman's cloak, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord your God.

Deuteronomy 23:1 
“No one whose testicles are crushed or whose male organ is cut off shall enter the assembly of the Lord.

Leviticus 18:22 
You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.

Romans 8:1-39 
There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death. For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit. ...
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Re: Female students assaulted by transgender students in bathroom

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HondurasKeiser wrote: ↑Thu Oct 28, 2021 9:02 pm
Falco Underhill wrote: ↑Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:35 pm
temporal1 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 28, 2021 6:34 pm
obama talking about world-class ed is a hoot, in itself. :lol: he does this stuff with a straight face. (credit: acting lessons)
more accurate to say, “world class replacement of education” with low-grade lib political activism.

but, is this debate about a “male in a skirt” or about just another female with a (presumably maverick) penis? (as now there are “pregnant men,” evidently, with maverick vaginas+uteri, et al.)

these are males, and females, who are hapless victims of their physical bodies. woe is me. :-|

God uses all things for His purpose. It can be impossible to understand at any given moment. Like now.

HK: yes. :)
I can't remember where, but I just read an article that seriously spoke of "male-bodied persons" and "female-bodied persons." :lol:

"Trust the science."
Perhaps the Yale essay I linked to? It’s an awkward and cumbersome phrase to be sure. But deconstructing things is so much fun though, so…
Unfortunately, there's usually serious consequences when people take such word-games too seriously.

Incidentally, I've never heard a phrase that sounds more Gnostic. For them, the body is just a material thing that has nothing to do with "the real you." It's a direct attack on God's created order. You can "play god" and be your own creator instead!
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HondurasKeiser

Re: Female students assaulted by transgender students in bathroom

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Falco Underhill wrote: ↑Fri Oct 29, 2021 9:19 am
HondurasKeiser wrote: ↑Thu Oct 28, 2021 9:02 pm
Falco Underhill wrote: ↑Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:35 pm

I can't remember where, but I just read an article that seriously spoke of "male-bodied persons" and "female-bodied persons." :lol:

"Trust the science."
Perhaps the Yale essay I linked to? It’s an awkward and cumbersome phrase to be sure. But deconstructing things is so much fun though, so…
Unfortunately, there's usually serious consequences when people take such word-games too seriously.

Incidentally, I've never heard a phrase that sounds more Gnostic. For them, the body is just a material thing that has nothing to do with "the real you." It's a direct attack on God's created order. You can "play god" and be your own creator instead!
Not to sound too polemical but one can see how once we begin down the road of the plasticity of the body, an entirely incidental husk to the real you which is one's consciousness; transhumanism becomes not just imaginable but also desirable.

Slightly-serious question: How does a society built on the premise of radical individual autonomy, prohibit something like uploading your consciousness to the matrix?
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HondurasKeiser

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Perhaps like a "metaverse"?
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Ken
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Re: Female students assaulted by transgender students in bathroom

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More reporting on this particular case
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/28/opin ... trans.html

But this week, during a juvenile court hearing, a fuller picture of Smith’s daughter’s ordeal emerged. She suffered something atrocious. It had nothing at all to do, however, with trans bathroom policies. Instead, like many women and girls, she was a victim of relationship violence.

Smith’s daughter testified that she’d previously had two consensual sexual encounters with her attacker in the school bathroom. On the day of her assault, they’d agreed to meet up again. “The evidence was that the girl chose that bathroom, but her intent was to talk to him, not to engage in sexual relations,” Biberaj, whose office prosecuted the case, told me. The boy, however, expected sex and refused to accept the girl’s refusal. As the The Washington Post reported, she testified, “He flipped me over. I was on the ground and couldn’t move and he sexually assaulted me.”

The boy was indeed wearing a skirt, but that skirt didn’t authorize him to use the girls’ bathroom. As Amanda Terkel reported in HuffPost, the school district’s trans-inclusive bathroom policies were approved only in August, more than two months after the assault. This was not, said Biberaj, someone “identifying as transgender and going into the girls’ bathroom under the guise of that.”

On Monday, the boy received the juvenile court equivalent of a guilty verdict. The case dealing with the second attack he is accused of will be decided in November.

We don’t know exactly why the boy was allowed to attend a different school after his first arrest. The district has refused to comment on the transfer because of state and federal privacy laws. According to Biberaj, under state law, juveniles can be detained for only 21 days without a hearing, and her office needed more time than that to get DNA results. A condition of the boy’s release was that he could have no contact with the girl, so he couldn’t return to his original school.

It’s not clear whether the school system had the option of barring the boy from in-person school altogether. In a statement this month, the Loudoun County Public Schools superintendent, Scott Ziegler, called for policy changes that would allow administrators to “separate alleged offenders from the general student body.” Conservatives, of course, have traditionally opposed policies that would keep accused offenders out of school.

As Betsy DeVos, Donald Trump’s secretary of education, said last year, “Too many students have lost access to their education because their school inadequately responded when a student filed a complaint of sexual harassment or sexual assault.”
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ohio jones

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HondurasKeiser wrote: ↑Fri Oct 29, 2021 10:36 am Perhaps like a "metaverse"?
"I've never meta virtual business opportunity I didn't like."
--Mark Z.
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