Mennonite Measles in Texas

[barnhart]

In some areas of NYC ICU capacity was near breaking point at the height of COVID. Morgue space was overwhelmed with hospitals storing bodies in refrigerated trailers until the families could make funeral plans.

[JohnH]

They call your line of reasoning “whataboutism.” If a treatment worked, or not had no bearing on the need to keep ICUs from being overwhelmed. Preventing people from getting sick in the first place was what was needed.

Except most the narrative about “ICUs being overwhelmed” was nonsense. In Holmes Co (some of the least compliance with lockdowns and lowest vaccination rates as well), nothing ever came close to being overwhelmed.

I was having coffee in a coffee shop in Millersburg when I was in town for one of Cory Anderson’s conferences, and struck up a chat with another guy there. He had moved in from out of town and was a public health worker. He just complained and complained how nobody wanted vaccines, nobody cared about lockdown orders, and nobody responded to being told to be afraid of hospitals being “full”.

None of the ERs or ICUs here ever ended up full or anything close to it. It was pure fear mongering not based on actual medicine, science, or evidence.

In what universe is Holmes County representative of the rest of the country?

During the peak of COVID my wife spent months of her life on the review team deciding which patients had to be sent home from Portland area hospitals to make room for new patients arriving every day. It was all triage.

Because Holmes Co didn’t have shortages of ICU space, nor did the surrounding areas. There was little to no compliance with lockdowns. People took home remedies (including ivermectin) and vaccination rates were and continue to be some of the lowest in the country.

So the question is why northeast Ohio apparently had no shortages of ICU space versus the tales you tell. It looks like not having lockdowns led to a much healthier population.

[Ken]

Except most the narrative about “ICUs being overwhelmed” was nonsense. In Holmes Co (some of the least compliance with lockdowns and lowest vaccination rates as well), nothing ever came close to being overwhelmed.

I was having coffee in a coffee shop in Millersburg when I was in town for one of Cory Anderson’s conferences, and struck up a chat with another guy there. He had moved in from out of town and was a public health worker. He just complained and complained how nobody wanted vaccines, nobody cared about lockdown orders, and nobody responded to being told to be afraid of hospitals being “full”.

None of the ERs or ICUs here ever ended up full or anything close to it. It was pure fear mongering not based on actual medicine, science, or evidence.

In what universe is Holmes County representative of the rest of the country?

During the peak of COVID my wife spent months of her life on the review team deciding which patients had to be sent home from Portland area hospitals to make room for new patients arriving every day. It was all triage.

Because Holmes Co didn’t have shortages of ICU space, nor did the surrounding areas. There was little to no compliance with lockdowns. People took home remedies (including ivermectin) and vaccination rates were and continue to be some of the lowest in the country.

So the question is why northeast Ohio apparently had no shortages of ICU space versus the tales you tell. It looks like not having lockdowns led to a much healthier population.

The COVID death rate in Holmes County OH was at least double what it was here in Clark County WA. And in terms of having a “healthier population”. Holmes County ranks lower than where I live on just about every single public health metric from obesity rates to smoking rates to diabetes rates to death rates.

But don’t let facts get in the way of fantasy.

[Soloist]

Can we at least maintain some division here? Most of us have discussed Covid till the cows came home a good 100 times. Can we keep this on measles conspiracies and medical dogma about measles?

[Ken]

Can we at least maintain some division here? Most of us have discussed Covid till the cows came home a good 100 times. Can we keep this on measles conspiracies and medical dogma about measles?

Are people out there using ivermectin as a measles remedy? Or have we not gotten that dumb yet?

[ohio jones]

Can we at least maintain some division here? Most of us have discussed Covid till the cows came home a good 100 times. Can we keep this on measles conspiracies and medical dogma about measles?

Yeah, the same two people have been arguing about Washington vs. Ohio and Holmes vs. Clark for nearly 5 years now, and it's clear the cows are stubbornly staying in the farthest pasture. Might as well do it by PM and spare the rest of us.

[JohnH]

Can we at least maintain some division here? Most of us have discussed Covid till the cows came home a good 100 times. Can we keep this on measles conspiracies and medical dogma about measles?

Sure - one of the gripes from the aforementioned public health worker was that the populace lost interest in all the other vaccines including MMR.

Despite this, there has not been death and destruction from the spectre of measles. If the propaganda about measles vaccines were true, you’d expect there would be.

[Ken]

Can we at least maintain some division here? Most of us have discussed Covid till the cows came home a good 100 times. Can we keep this on measles conspiracies and medical dogma about measles?

Sure - one of the gripes from the aforementioned public health worker was that the populace lost interest in all the other vaccines including MMR.

Despite this, there has not been death and destruction from the spectre of measles. If the propaganda about measles vaccines were true, you’d expect there would be.

Yes, the anti-vax nitwits who spent the pandemic posting deliberate misinformation on YouTube for personal profit did a lot of damage. That is certainly true.

Although luckily most people are still smart enough to vaccinate their children against measles. The national vaccination rate has only dropped about 2% in the past decade. So aside from a few outlier communities like in west Texas we are still pretty close to herd immunity. It would take a much bigger drop off in vaccination rates to rebuild the measles pandemics of the early 20th Century and before. Although RFK Jr. seems to be trying.

[JohnH]

Ohio has been well under 90% for years now, yet hasn’t had any deaths and hardly any instances of the disease.

It’s a bunch of fearmongering.

[R7ehr]

Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. writes in Fox News op-ed about the measles outbreak in Texas, and actually sort of endorses vaccination:

…As healthcare providers, community leaders, and policymakers, we have a shared responsibility to protect public health. This includes ensuring that accurate information about vaccine safety and efficacy is disseminated. We must engage with communities to understand their concerns, provide culturally competent education, and make vaccines readily accessible for all those who want them.

…

Vaccines not only protect individual children from measles, but also contribute to community immunity, protecting those who are unable to be vaccinated due to medical reasons.

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/robert- ... ion-all-us

Not things I expected to hear from RFK.