Mennonite Measles in Texas

[JohnH]

There’s plenty of room to explore how to treat the symptoms of the disease, reduce the severity and so forth, which is the approach we should have taken with Covid.

I would say we did both. It took a while to develop an effective treatment, but towards the middle of the pandemic, I would say they had a relatively effective treatment

I disagree. The absolute stonewalling about ivermectin was ridiculous.

[Soloist]

There’s plenty of room to explore how to treat the symptoms of the disease, reduce the severity and so forth, which is the approach we should have taken with Covid.

I would say we did both. It took a while to develop an effective treatment, but towards the middle of the pandemic, I would say they had a relatively effective treatment

I disagree. The absolute stonewalling about ivermectin was ridiculous.

I was thinking more about our use of steroids and proning with vent patients.

The only thing I know for sure about ivermectin is the research on SARS with ivermectin.

[Ken]

There’s plenty of room to explore how to treat the symptoms of the disease, reduce the severity and so forth, which is the approach we should have taken with Covid.

I would say we did both. It took a while to develop an effective treatment, but towards the middle of the pandemic, I would say they had a relatively effective treatment

I disagree. The absolute stonewalling about ivermectin was ridiculous.

Stonewalling? They were right.

The latest studies from 2024 show that Ivermectin lacks meaningful benefits for COVID treatment: https://www.phc.ox.ac.uk/news/new-study ... -treatment

But keep believing whatever nonsense you see on YouTube.

[Judas Maccabeus]

There’s plenty of room to explore how to treat the symptoms of the disease, reduce the severity and so forth, which is the approach we should have taken with Covid.

I would say we did both. It took a while to develop an effective treatment, but towards the middle of the pandemic, I would say they had a relatively effective treatment

Yeah, steroids and paxiloid.

While I will openly admit that the COVID vaccine is less than effective, the Measles vaccine is very effective. Prevention is a far more effective method of saving lives and reducing complications.

[Judas Maccabeus]

I would say we did both. It took a while to develop an effective treatment, but towards the middle of the pandemic, I would say they had a relatively effective treatment

I disagree. The absolute stonewalling about ivermectin was ridiculous.

Stonewalling? They were right.

The latest studies from 2024 show that Ivermectin lacks meaningful benefits for COVID treatment: https://www.phc.ox.ac.uk/news/new-study ... -treatment

But keep believing whatever nonsense you see on YouTube.

Ivermectin is great for parasites. Nothing else, full stop. It is a perfect example of what happens when the internet replaces scientific research.

[Judas Maccabeus]

There’s plenty of room to explore how to treat the symptoms of the disease, reduce the severity and so forth, which is the approach we should have taken with Covid.

I would say we did both. It took a while to develop an effective treatment, but towards the middle of the pandemic, I would say they had a relatively effective treatment

I disagree. The absolute stonewalling about ivermectin was ridiculous.

Because well run clinical trial after well run clinical trial saves it does absolutely nothing. It simply does not work, and has the potential to poison people.

[JohnH]

I would say we did both. It took a while to develop an effective treatment, but towards the middle of the pandemic, I would say they had a relatively effective treatment

I disagree. The absolute stonewalling about ivermectin was ridiculous.

Because well run clinical trial after well run clinical trial saves it does absolutely nothing. It simply does not work, and has the potential to poison people.

… well run trials in 2020 that came to such rock solid conclusions?

Or was it about ensuring the vaccines could be rushed under an EUA?

[Judas Maccabeus]

I disagree. The absolute stonewalling about ivermectin was ridiculous.

Because well run clinical trial after well run clinical trial saves it does absolutely nothing. It simply does not work, and has the potential to poison people.

… well run trials in 2020 that came to such rock solid conclusions?

Or was it about ensuring the vaccines could be rushed under an EUA?

They call your line of reasoning “whataboutism.” If a treatment worked, or not had no bearing on the need to keep ICUs from being overwhelmed. Preventing people from getting sick in the first place was what was needed.

[JohnH]

Because well run clinical trial after well run clinical trial saves it does absolutely nothing. It simply does not work, and has the potential to poison people.

… well run trials in 2020 that came to such rock solid conclusions?

Or was it about ensuring the vaccines could be rushed under an EUA?

They call your line of reasoning “whataboutism.” If a treatment worked, or not had no bearing on the need to keep ICUs from being overwhelmed. Preventing people from getting sick in the first place was what was needed.

Except most the narrative about “ICUs being overwhelmed” was nonsense. In Holmes Co (some of the least compliance with lockdowns and lowest vaccination rates as well), nothing ever came close to being overwhelmed.

I was having coffee in a coffee shop in Millersburg when I was in town for one of Cory Anderson’s conferences, and struck up a chat with another guy there. He had moved in from out of town and was a public health worker. He just complained and complained how nobody wanted vaccines, nobody cared about lockdown orders, and nobody responded to being told to be afraid of hospitals being “full”.

None of the ERs or ICUs here ever ended up full or anything close to it. It was pure fear mongering not based on actual medicine, science, or evidence.

[Ken]

… well run trials in 2020 that came to such rock solid conclusions?

Or was it about ensuring the vaccines could be rushed under an EUA?

They call your line of reasoning “whataboutism.” If a treatment worked, or not had no bearing on the need to keep ICUs from being overwhelmed. Preventing people from getting sick in the first place was what was needed.

Except most the narrative about “ICUs being overwhelmed” was nonsense. In Holmes Co (some of the least compliance with lockdowns and lowest vaccination rates as well), nothing ever came close to being overwhelmed.

I was having coffee in a coffee shop in Millersburg when I was in town for one of Cory Anderson’s conferences, and struck up a chat with another guy there. He had moved in from out of town and was a public health worker. He just complained and complained how nobody wanted vaccines, nobody cared about lockdown orders, and nobody responded to being told to be afraid of hospitals being “full”.

None of the ERs or ICUs here ever ended up full or anything close to it. It was pure fear mongering not based on actual medicine, science, or evidence.

In what universe is Holmes County representative of the rest of the country?

During the peak of COVID my wife spent months of her life on the review team deciding which patients had to be sent home from Portland area hospitals to make room for new patients arriving every day. It was all triage.