As the academics put it: Correlation does not imply causation.
I'm not racist, but....
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ohio jones
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Ken
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Re: I'm not racist, but....
No, but it certainly tells you where to start looking.ohio jones wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 4:06 pmAs the academics put it: Correlation does not imply causation.
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GaryK
Re: I'm not racist, but....
For some reason I took it that you were suggesting that police were involved in good old fashioned racism in certain areas of the country.RZehr wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 3:51 pmI suspect there are scattered racist sentiments across the country. But the only places I've personally heard what I would categorize as blatantly racist comment being shared was in the rural South, VA, TN, and MS. I used to travel the deep south for work, in the agriculture business. LA, AL, MS, AR, FL, SC, NC, TN, VA, NC. I hear that Boston, and other places in the North have a history of a bit of racism too, and I believe it still exists. But having travelled to every state in the USA, many of them multiple times, I personally have not heard or seen elsewhere, what I have heard in the South.
When it come to poor people, and not simply racism, I suspect that would be found everywhere, but my guess is that it is found more in places where there is a larger wealth gap, than in places where things might be more equal. Just a suspicion.
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joshuabgood
Re: I'm not racist, but....
Tim Scott had some thoughts on his experiences...a few years back.GaryK wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 4:52 pmFor some reason I took it that you were suggesting that police were involved in good old fashioned racism in certain areas of the country.RZehr wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 3:51 pmI suspect there are scattered racist sentiments across the country. But the only places I've personally heard what I would categorize as blatantly racist comment being shared was in the rural South, VA, TN, and MS. I used to travel the deep south for work, in the agriculture business. LA, AL, MS, AR, FL, SC, NC, TN, VA, NC. I hear that Boston, and other places in the North have a history of a bit of racism too, and I believe it still exists. But having travelled to every state in the USA, many of them multiple times, I personally have not heard or seen elsewhere, what I have heard in the South.
When it come to poor people, and not simply racism, I suspect that would be found everywhere, but my guess is that it is found more in places where there is a larger wealth gap, than in places where things might be more equal. Just a suspicion.
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RZehr
Re: I'm not racist, but....
I do believe that too. And since I believe that there is more (little, much, I know not) racism in the South, I think there are more racist police in the South. But I also believe they to be racist police in every large city. But I think that police brutality in general is probably a bigger problem and cause of injustice than straight up racist cops.GaryK wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 4:52 pmFor some reason I took it that you were suggesting that police were involved in good old fashioned racism in certain areas of the country.RZehr wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 3:51 pmI suspect there are scattered racist sentiments across the country. But the only places I've personally heard what I would categorize as blatantly racist comment being shared was in the rural South, VA, TN, and MS. I used to travel the deep south for work, in the agriculture business. LA, AL, MS, AR, FL, SC, NC, TN, VA, NC. I hear that Boston, and other places in the North have a history of a bit of racism too, and I believe it still exists. But having travelled to every state in the USA, many of them multiple times, I personally have not heard or seen elsewhere, what I have heard in the South.
When it come to poor people, and not simply racism, I suspect that would be found everywhere, but my guess is that it is found more in places where there is a larger wealth gap, than in places where things might be more equal. Just a suspicion.
I think that the guy who killed George Floyd probably had racial tendencies, although I do not at all believe he murdered the poor man.
Police everywhere have a strong tendency to develop biases based on their experience, which can serve to perpetuate those biases - whether race based or not.
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Ken
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Re: I'm not racist, but....
Would you consider this an example of good old fashioned racism by police in certain areas of the country? This happened yesterday.GaryK wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 4:52 pmFor some reason I took it that you were suggesting that police were involved in good old fashioned racism in certain areas of the country.RZehr wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 3:51 pmI suspect there are scattered racist sentiments across the country. But the only places I've personally heard what I would categorize as blatantly racist comment being shared was in the rural South, VA, TN, and MS. I used to travel the deep south for work, in the agriculture business. LA, AL, MS, AR, FL, SC, NC, TN, VA, NC. I hear that Boston, and other places in the North have a history of a bit of racism too, and I believe it still exists. But having travelled to every state in the USA, many of them multiple times, I personally have not heard or seen elsewhere, what I have heard in the South.
When it come to poor people, and not simply racism, I suspect that would be found everywhere, but my guess is that it is found more in places where there is a larger wealth gap, than in places where things might be more equal. Just a suspicion.
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RZehr
Re: I'm not racist, but....
*when I say “good old fashioned racism”, I hope we all understand that there isn’t anything good about it.
What I mean, is that I am referring to what used to be understood as racism in yesteryear, before the meaning was completely hijacked by the woke mob, and expanded to include everything under the Sun, to the extent that nobody has yet been able to plumb the limits.
What I mean, is that I am referring to what used to be understood as racism in yesteryear, before the meaning was completely hijacked by the woke mob, and expanded to include everything under the Sun, to the extent that nobody has yet been able to plumb the limits.
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Josh
Re: I'm not racist, but....
Racism is not the problem here.Ken wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 7:15 pmWould you consider this an example of good old fashioned racism by police in certain areas of the country? This happened yesterday.GaryK wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 4:52 pmFor some reason I took it that you were suggesting that police were involved in good old fashioned racism in certain areas of the country.RZehr wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 3:51 pm
I suspect there are scattered racist sentiments across the country. But the only places I've personally heard what I would categorize as blatantly racist comment being shared was in the rural South, VA, TN, and MS. I used to travel the deep south for work, in the agriculture business. LA, AL, MS, AR, FL, SC, NC, TN, VA, NC. I hear that Boston, and other places in the North have a history of a bit of racism too, and I believe it still exists. But having travelled to every state in the USA, many of them multiple times, I personally have not heard or seen elsewhere, what I have heard in the South.
When it come to poor people, and not simply racism, I suspect that would be found everywhere, but my guess is that it is found more in places where there is a larger wealth gap, than in places where things might be more equal. Just a suspicion.
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GaryK
Re: I'm not racist, but....
I really like what I see happening in our community in small town GA as it relates to law enforcement. I recently attended the annual "Call to Manhood", one day conference a local black church puts on. The attendance was mostly black men and boys. They had invited the white local sheriff, the white police chief, and a black state patrol officer to have a breakout session with the young men, ages 13-20. I didn't attend that session but to see how the event organizers (close friends of mine) and law enforcement were working together for a common cause was very encouraging.joshuabgood wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 5:32 pmTim Scott had some thoughts on his experiences...a few years back.GaryK wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 4:52 pmFor some reason I took it that you were suggesting that police were involved in good old fashioned racism in certain areas of the country.RZehr wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 3:51 pm
I suspect there are scattered racist sentiments across the country. But the only places I've personally heard what I would categorize as blatantly racist comment being shared was in the rural South, VA, TN, and MS. I used to travel the deep south for work, in the agriculture business. LA, AL, MS, AR, FL, SC, NC, TN, VA, NC. I hear that Boston, and other places in the North have a history of a bit of racism too, and I believe it still exists. But having travelled to every state in the USA, many of them multiple times, I personally have not heard or seen elsewhere, what I have heard in the South.
When it come to poor people, and not simply racism, I suspect that would be found everywhere, but my guess is that it is found more in places where there is a larger wealth gap, than in places where things might be more equal. Just a suspicion.
I also noted that there was practically nothing mentioned by the speakers (black & white) at the conference about racism but there was a lot of emphasis on taking responsibility for their lives, getting a good education and waiting until marriage to have children. There was no "you are a victim of systemic or outright racism" expressed at all. There was a strong emphasis on becoming and being a responsible man who contributes positively to society in general.
Also, the local police department concluded their first annual Police Academy a few months ago, where they invite community leaders and influential people (black and white) to participate in police training exercises, patrols and other police activities. Upon completion, they invited the attendees to talk about their experiences and those responses were published in the local paper. One that really stood out to me was from a young black lady who said she went into it with a very negative view of law enforcement because of everything she's heard about law enforcement in recent years but she said, after seeing what law enforcement have to deal with every day, she was forced to change her view and came away with a deep respect for them.
Both of these events (I only attended the church event) made me all the more aware that certain narratives being pushed today can have very negative impacts on how people view their own lives and law enforcement in general.
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Ken
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Re: I'm not racist, but....
No? What is the problem?
Were these cops "hijacked by the woke mob" as RZehr put it?
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