Neto wrote:It is true that the word 'rapture' does not occur in the KJV (and maybe not in other translations as well), and while I would agree that the the common doctrinal representation of it (as in pre-trib) isn't supported by Scripture, the Bible DOES teach that both the living & the dead will be caught up to meet the Christ in the air. How do you all understand the word 'rapture' to differ with that? (I should have asked at the beginning for your definition.)
Yes, that would be my opinion as well. "Rapture" is not only one of those words Christians use which isn't from the bible (in allusion to another thread I've read). The very end, and the return of Christ, and after all the dead have risen, is when
the only thing comparable I can find in the scripture.
The word "rapture" is taken from the Latin "Rapio" for the two words "caught up" used in first Thessalonians 4:17. The word rapture isn't in Scripture anymore than Gellesenheit (sp?)is in Scripture it's a word where you use it to define something.
1 Thessalonians 4:16,17:
"For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with a voice of an archangel, and with a trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
Neto wrote:It is true that the word 'rapture' does not occur in the KJV (and maybe not in other translations as well), and while I would agree that the the common doctrinal representation of it (as in pre-trib) isn't supported by Scripture, the Bible DOES teach that both the living & the dead will be caught up to meet the Christ in the air. How do you all understand the word 'rapture' to differ with that? (I should have asked at the beginning for your definition.)
Yes, that would be my opinion as well. "Rapture" is not only one of those words Christians use which isn't from the bible (in allusion to another thread I've read). The very end, and the return of Christ, and after all the dead have risen, is when
the only thing comparable I can find in the scripture.
The word "rapture" is taken from the Latin "Rapio" for the two words "caught up" used in first Thessalonians 4:17. The word rapture isn't in Scripture anymore than Gellesenheit (sp?)is in Scripture it's a word where you use it to define something.
1 Thessalonians 4:16,17:
"For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with a voice of an archangel, and with a trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
The word gelaassenheit is German, used by the Swiss Brethren. That word doesn't occur in the Dutch Scripture, so it's not used in my background. (They would use the Dutch word leijdzaamheid.)
Outsider wrote:
Yes, that would be my opinion as well. "Rapture" is not only one of those words Christians use which isn't from the bible (in allusion to another thread I've read). The very end, and the return of Christ, and after all the dead have risen, is when
the only thing comparable I can find in the scripture.
The word "rapture" is taken from the Latin "Rapio" for the two words "caught up" used in first Thessalonians 4:17. The word rapture isn't in Scripture anymore than Gellesenheit (sp?)is in Scripture it's a word where you use it to define something.
1 Thessalonians 4:16,17:
"For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with a voice of an archangel, and with a trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
The word gelaassenheit is German, used by the Swiss Brethren. That word doesn't occur in the Dutch Scripture, so it's not used in my background. (They would use the Dutch word leijdzaamheid.)
It's not a Scriptural word, in either language, correct?
Valerie wrote:
The word "rapture" is taken from the Latin "Rapio" for the two words "caught up" used in first Thessalonians 4:17. The word rapture isn't in Scripture anymore than Gellesenheit (sp?)is in Scripture it's a word where you use it to define something.
1 Thessalonians 4:16,17:
"For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with a voice of an archangel, and with a trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
The word gelaassenheit is German, used by the Swiss Brethren. That word doesn't occur in the Dutch Scripture, so it's not used in my background. (They would use the Dutch word leijdzaamheid.)
It's not a Scriptural word, in either language, correct?
Each of these words are used in certain old translations in either language, if that is what you mean.
Outsider wrote:I just watched an Amish-Mennonite preacher deliver a sermon based on the "rapture" of the true believers before the "tribulations" of Revelations, very much in the "left-behind" style. He uses the term in his sermon.
I personally don't believe in the "left-behind" scenario.
Revelations 11:
3. And to them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power. 4 They were commanded not to harm the grass of the earth, or any green thing, or any tree, but only those men who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads.
This is an example of why. The only place I can see where people are "raptured" is when Christ returns and the faithful in the flesh are called up to meet him in the air.
Are there many people here who believe in the "left-behind" theology?
The "left-behind" theology (also known as dispensational premillenialism) is prevalent in certain Mennonite and Amish-Mennonite groups that adopted such things as Sunday Schools and revival meetings from Fundamentalists in the early 20th century. This theology was also adopted. From what I've read, it tends to be more prevalent in the eastern states than in the West. In some of these churches, its influence is beginning to wane.
Prior to the adoption of "left-behind" theology, Mennonites and Amish did not believe in the "left-behind" scenario. They believed similar to what you write, Christ will return and the faithful will meet him in the air. Even in churches that have adopted this "left-behind" theology, there sometimes exists a minority of people who hold the older view, similar to yours.
cmbl wrote:
The "left-behind" theology (also known as dispensational premillenialism) is prevalent in certain Mennonite and Amish-Mennonite groups that adopted such things as Sunday Schools and revival meetings from Fundamentalists in the early 20th century. This theology was also adopted. From what I've read, it tends to be more prevalent in the eastern states than in the West. In some of these churches, its influence is beginning to wane.
This summarises my experience. It was never taught to me with conviction and I have even less time for it. I think in previous generations it part of a suite of ideas that centered around fresh, exciting and scientific ways to understand scripture.