Poll: Iridology

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Does iridology work? (1-5) Why or why not? (6-10) Choose one from each category.

 
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Wade

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Post by Wade »

silentreader wrote:
Wade wrote:
silentreader wrote:
The only point I was making is that in this particular subject the broad brush approach is not credible. Every person is genetically unique. A drug or combination of drugs that may help one person retain quality of life may be a poison to another.
Then stop using or assuming the broad brush approach.
Can you back over any posts I have made on this subject where you see me using the broad brush approach so that I can apologize if I actually did?
You replied to me with,
silentreader wrote: The only point I was making is that in this particular subject the broad brush approach is not credible.
So unless you were making a point to me that I was making a brush broad approach I'm not sure why you included me in your post?
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Wade

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JohnHurt wrote:
ken_sylvania wrote:
JohnHurt wrote:.....Your "opinions" are based on what you have read from documents and internet sites the mainstream medical establishment has created to promote their own procedures, which is how they make their obscene profits. You are like a child that repeats whatever their parents believe. You don't have a background for your opinions, as your opinions are not based on your own experience....
Do you have any first-hand experience with all of the documents and internet sites that all of us have read, that you can so confidently make this assertion? How do you even know that the mainstream medical establishment makes obscene profits? Firsthand experience?
Methinks you may be doing exactly what you are castigating the other posters on this thread for doing, namely accepting sources you consider reliable and trustworthy as factual.
Ken,

Your own experience should be considered superior to what you read or see on TV. The documents you read on the internet are not always correct, regardless of the source, especially when there is money involved or a "profit motive" to write such articles. Your own experience is more valuable, to me and to everyone else.

From your own experience, do you know any doctors that have taken a lifetime vow of poverty? Do you know any doctors that live in a trailer park? Do you know a doctor that has to work a second job to make ends meet? What about a doctor that cannot afford to send his children to college? I don't know any doctors like this. Every doctor I know has become very rich.

From your own experience, the last time you were in a hospital or went to the doctor, did you analyze your bill and look at how much you were charged for, say, a paper gown, an aspirin, or an injection? Were the prices fair, or were they inflated? What was your experience?

I hope you don't think I am castigating you, I just want you to tell me what you have actually experienced.

From my experience, I have found that most doctors are overpaid, and the hospitals overcharge the insurance companies. I have found from my research that most doctors get some sort of "kickback" or "secret rebate" from the drug companies for prescribing, or over-prescribing various drugs. Whatever profit comes from this activity is "obscene", as it is morally offensive.

The last doctor I visited about a year ago tried to get me on a "statin" drug, even before he saw my blood work. He practically made fun of me for opposing the use of statin drugs. My blood work said my cholesterol levels were perfect, and I did not need anything. I think this doctor also got a kickback from selling drugs. That is the only thing that explains his actions.

Another doctor that tried to convince me and my wife to abort my 3rd son due to a possible viral infection (my son was born with no trouble) - this quack doctor is a walking obscenity, that wanted to perform an unnecessary operation on my wife and kill my son so that he could make money. This doctor is morally repugnant and should be removed from the medical profession. That was my experience - in real life.

My experience growing up in Smyrna TN in the 1970's was with a Cuban doctor who learned everything he knew in Havana. He maybe spent a year or so in medical school there, then became a doctor in Cuba, fled from Castro, and was accepted as a full doctor here in the USA. He obviously lacked any real training. I lot of people complained that he did not know what he was doing, but he was the only doctor in town at that time. I had him perform some minor surgery on me, and he could not even sew the wounds up properly - it busted open because his knots did not hold. It left several huge scars on my legs. My friends told me that whenever you came into his office, he would examine you, then go back in and look up your condition in the Merck Manual, and give you a prescription. That was all he could do. He could cut you open, sew you up, and give you a pill. Of the 3 things he could do, he could only do one with any real success.

Not all doctors are bad, just like not all lawyers are bad. But just like the saying that it is 95% of the lawyers that give the other 5% a bad name, so do many of the doctors that perform unnecessary operations, don't know what they are doing, and over-prescribe medications so they can take kickback from the drug companies - these doctors whatever percentage they are - they give the good doctors that don't do these things a bad name.

I have, from my experience, met some really good doctors. They are precious. The last one I knew retired a few years ago.

Thanks, and I hope you do well.

John
I worked with a man that was common law with a doctor near where we live. She dealt with the pharmaceutical companies coming in and getting the doctors convinced to sell their drugs. He said it was absolutely terrible how these companies would try to be at the hospital every week pushing tickets to games, free ski passes, and etc. at the doctors while convincing them about the latest drugs the doctors should sell for them. She cut it down to once a month that the companies were allowed to come but the bribes did not stop. He was obviously not opposed at all to conventional medicine but at least could admit there is a problem. Imagine that - balance.
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Josh

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The best chiropractor I have ever used was "born" into it, as his father and grandfather were chiropractors.
Ah, kind of like the best dowsers
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Bootstrap

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Post by Bootstrap »

I definitely agree that there are problems with conventional medicine. I am cautious about taking drugs or having medical procedures.

But there are problems with alternative medicine too.

The People's Pharmacy takes a balanced approach to both.

https://www.peoplespharmacy.com/
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silentreader

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Post by silentreader »

Wade wrote:
silentreader wrote:
Wade wrote:
Then stop using or assuming the broad brush approach.
Can you back over any posts I have made on this subject where you see me using the broad brush approach so that I can apologize if I actually did?
You replied to me with,
silentreader wrote: The only point I was making is that in this particular subject the broad brush approach is not credible.
So unless you were making a point to me that I was making a brush broad approach I'm not sure why you included me in your post?
In that post I was responding to your question, "How does your story help the 63 year old..."
My intended point had nothing to do with the 63 year old, but rather that the huge difference in responses to medication makes the broad brush approach not credible in this area.
Did I use broad brush? I think not. Did I assume it? It seemed to be quite evident in some of the posting on this thread.
Was I, in my post, intentionally pointing a finger at you? No I was not.

This is probably more pertinent to a vaccination thread, but I was wondering, what would you do if your child was bitten by an animal with rabies?
Or what would you do if your child stabbed a dirty manure fork through their foot?
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Joy

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To answer an earlier question, neither my sister nor I take medications. I am 66 and she is 77. The surgeon for her broken leg and ankle a few weeks ago--a good man from what I know--made comment that she was in better health than he (mid-forties). I had a similar remark made to me the last time I had a blood test.

God is good, and I am thankful for good health!
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JohnHurt

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Bootstrap wrote:I definitely agree that there are problems with conventional medicine. I am cautious about taking drugs or having medical procedures.

But there are problems with alternative medicine too.

The People's Pharmacy takes a balanced approach to both.

https://www.peoplespharmacy.com/
Yes, your own prejudice on either side of an issue can hurt you. It is good to keep an open mind on everything. To keep learning, we all have "the right to be wrong". Once you think you know it all, your learning stops and your brain dies.

That is a good web site. I read the article about gluten and arthritis. That is an interesting correlation. I wonder if my joint stiffness is related?

My wife is more gluten intolerant than me and has problems with digestion. I lost about 15 lbs when I got off gluten, and feel better, but I can still eat gluten and not suffer too much. When my son got off gluten, his plantar warts disappeared, and his headaches and "mean streak" also went away. He can tell if he has been exposed to gluten when his headaches and temper returns. I just wonder how many people suffer these symptoms, and do not know why?

We tried almond flour and some other gluten free recipes - and my family eats gluten free frozen pizza they get from the store that, to me, tastes like cardboard. But they love it. I just smile. But the almond flour cinnamon rolls is not that bad.

We buy the einkorn wheat berries from Italy at Jovial Foods dot com for making hamburger buns. Einkorn is the most ancient form of wheat - the "Emmer" wheat is what they think is found in the Bible. These forms of wheat are a completely different species of wheat with different chromosomes than modern wheat. The Einkorn wheat has a much lower gluten content, and it tastes great. We have been making our own bread for some time now.

The green revolution in the 70's made wheat different through selective breeding, while the GMO process in the 1990's made wheat into something else all over again. I was skeptical about gluten at first, but after going gluten free for several years, I can tell there is a benefit to avoiding as much gluten as possible. And if you have digestion problems, like other members of my family do, then it is probably the gluten that is causing it.
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Wade

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Post by Wade »

silentreader wrote:
Wade wrote:
silentreader wrote:
Can you back over any posts I have made on this subject where you see me using the broad brush approach so that I can apologize if I actually did?
You replied to me with,
silentreader wrote: The only point I was making is that in this particular subject the broad brush approach is not credible.
So unless you were making a point to me that I was making a brush broad approach I'm not sure why you included me in your post?
In that post I was responding to your question, "How does your story help the 63 year old..."
My intended point had nothing to do with the 63 year old, but rather that the huge difference in responses to medication makes the broad brush approach not credible in this area.
Did I use broad brush? I think not. Did I assume it? It seemed to be quite evident in some of the posting on this thread.
Was I, in my post, intentionally pointing a finger at you? No I was not.
To be clear the particular medication for high blood pressure that my friend was taking his new doctor said that NO one should take it long term and that all doctors have been told this - that is the medical world painting with a broad brush for this particular drug.
silentreader wrote:This is probably more pertinent to a vaccination thread, but I was wondering, what would you do if your child was bitten by an animal with rabies?
Or what would you do if your child stabbed a dirty manure fork through their foot?
I would likely take them to the hospital.
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GaryK

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JohnHurt wrote: The green revolution in the 70's made wheat different through selective breeding, while the GMO process in the 1990's made wheat into something else all over again. I was skeptical about gluten at first, but after going gluten free for several years, I can tell there is a benefit to avoiding as much gluten as possible. And if you have digestion problems, like other members of my family do, then it is probably the gluten that is causing it.
I'm curious if you know of any sources that confirm that wheat has been genetically modified especially back in the 1990's. I know this is a common claim but most sources say that as of 2017 no GMO wheat has been grown commercially.

This link lists all current GMO crops allowed to be grown in the USA. Wheat is not one of them.
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Judas Maccabeus

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Post by Judas Maccabeus »

GaryK wrote:
JohnHurt wrote: The green revolution in the 70's made wheat different through selective breeding, while the GMO process in the 1990's made wheat into something else all over again. I was skeptical about gluten at first, but after going gluten free for several years, I can tell there is a benefit to avoiding as much gluten as possible. And if you have digestion problems, like other members of my family do, then it is probably the gluten that is causing it.
I'm curious if you know of any sources that confirm that wheat has been genetically modified especially back in the 1990's. I know this is a common claim but most sources say that as of 2017 no GMO wheat has been grown commercially.

This link lists all current GMO crops allowed to be grown in the USA. Wheat is not one of them.
IIRC most of the “green revolution “ crop strains were rice, produced by traditional crossbreeding methods, not genetic modification. That sort of thing had been going on since the beginning of agriculture.

J.M.
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