Inviting people with tattoos to church functions, socials, etc.

[Soloist]

I’ve never lived in any community east of the Rockies. But it is my perspective from out west, where few churches are more conservative than us, that liberal, ex-conservative Mennonites have even less interest in reaching out the the world - unless, that is, we mean reaching out for the things of the world.
So comments such as Steve’s make me feel a little chippy and bristly.
Along with comments from my ex-Baptist friend who only ever asks about numbers of converts wearing plain suits, as if that is the sole determining measure of success. Meanwhile, he doesn’t have any home church himself, and has a fractious relationship with his ex-wife and on and on.

I get weary and wary of people making Jeff Altwig and Steve’s Pharasee type comments. Having not seen what they’ve seen, I cannot say they are completely wrong. Maybe they are right. But I can say that I feel included in those comments, and don’t love it, and it is not what I see.

Maybe Steve is only speaking from personal observation. Maybe he has never been west of the Rockies.

Wife: east of the Rockys here at a Capp/cape dress church, and we actually have a lot of people who attend that have tattoos, and there seems to be a lot of active outreach here to the down and out and people going through rehab programs. Maybe it helps that it’s not in Mennonite country, or maybe it just depends on the values passed down in certain communities/families. A lot of members have even opened their homes/properties to people to live, and I would say that is one of the things that I really like about where I go.

[barnhart]

I’ve never lived in any community east of the Rockies. But it is my perspective from out west, where few churches are more conservative than us, that liberal, ex-conservative Mennonites have even less interest in reaching out the the world - unless, that is, we mean reaching out for the things of the world.
So comments such as Steve’s make me feel a little chippy and bristly.
Along with comments from my ex-Baptist friend who only ever asks about numbers of converts wearing plain suits, as if that is the sole determining measure of success. Meanwhile, he doesn’t have any home church himself, and has a fractious relationship with his ex-wife and on and on.

I get weary and wary of people making Jeff Altwig and Steve’s Pharasee type comments. Having not seen what they’ve seen, I cannot say they are completely wrong. Maybe they are right. But I can say that I feel included in those comments, and don’t love it, and it is not what I see.

Maybe Steve is only speaking from personal observation. Maybe he has never been west of the Rockies.

Wife: east of the Rockys here at a Capp/cape dress church, and we actually have a lot of people who attend that have tattoos, and there seems to be a lot of active outreach here to the down and out and people going through rehab programs. Maybe it helps that it’s not in Mennonite country, or maybe it just depends on the values passed down in certain communities/families. A lot of members have even opened their homes/properties to people to live, and I would say that is one of the things that I really like about where I go.

Side question: This has finally piqued my interest enough to ask. Where did the capp/kapp/kap terminology come from. I have only heard the generic terms covering (used as a noun) or veil until Mennonet or maybe the precursor Mennodiscuss. Are there any groups who use the capp terminology themselves?

[Soloist]

Maybe Steve is only speaking from personal observation. Maybe he has never been west of the Rockies.

Wife: east of the Rockys here at a Capp/cape dress church, and we actually have a lot of people who attend that have tattoos, and there seems to be a lot of active outreach here to the down and out and people going through rehab programs. Maybe it helps that it’s not in Mennonite country, or maybe it just depends on the values passed down in certain communities/families. A lot of members have even opened their homes/properties to people to live, and I would say that is one of the things that I really like about where I go.

Side question: This has finally piqued my interest enough to ask. Where did the capp/kapp/kap terminology come from. I have only heard the generic terms covering (used as a noun) or veil until Mennonet or maybe the precursor Mennodiscuss. Are there any groups who use the capp terminology themselves?

Wife I don’t know. I’ve heard several other people use the term Capp, but I remember when I switched from a a veil to a Capp, a lady from a Mennonite USA church that I knew was like, “Wow. You’re wearing a covering now!” (Wonder what I was wearing before? )

Edit: looked it up, and apparently it’s German/Pennsylvania Dutch (kapp). I’m assuming it’s the proper term, and people didn’t use it to differentiate as much until veils became more common.

[ohio jones]

Side question: This has finally piqued my interest enough to ask. Where did the capp/kapp/kap terminology come from. I have only heard the generic terms covering (used as a noun) or veil until Mennonet or maybe the precursor Mennodiscuss. Are there any groups who use the capp terminology themselves?

Wife I don’t know. I’ve heard several other people use the term Capp, but I remember when I switched from a a veil to a Capp, a lady from a Mennonite USA church that I knew was like, “Wow. You’re wearing a covering now!” (Wonder what I was wearing before? )

Edit: looked it up, and apparently it’s German/Pennsylvania Dutch (kapp). I’m assuming it’s the proper term, and people didn’t use it to differentiate as much until veils became more common.

I hadn't ever heard the term capp or kapp that I can recall until it came up on MD. It's not in common usage among the people I'm around IRL. We just call it a covering. A veil is also a covering, but calling it a veil distinguishes it from other types of coverings.

[barnhart]

Side question: This has finally piqued my interest enough to ask. Where did the capp/kapp/kap terminology come from. I have only heard the generic terms covering (used as a noun) or veil until Mennonet or maybe the precursor Mennodiscuss. Are there any groups who use the capp terminology themselves?

Wife I don’t know. I’ve heard several other people use the term Capp, but I remember when I switched from a a veil to a Capp, a lady from a Mennonite USA church that I knew was like, “Wow. You’re wearing a covering now!” (Wonder what I was wearing before? )

Edit: looked it up, and apparently it’s German/Pennsylvania Dutch (kapp). I’m assuming it’s the proper term, and people didn’t use it to differentiate as much until veils became more common.

I hadn't ever heard the term capp or kapp that I can recall until it came up on MD. It's not in common usage among the people I'm around IRL. We just call it a covering. A veil is also a covering, but calling it a veil distinguishes it from other types of coverings.

Same. It goes in my list of vocabulary I learned on mennonet/Mennodiscuss.

[mike]

Wife I don’t know. I’ve heard several other people use the term Capp, but I remember when I switched from a a veil to a Capp, a lady from a Mennonite USA church that I knew was like, “Wow. You’re wearing a covering now!” (Wonder what I was wearing before? )

Edit: looked it up, and apparently it’s German/Pennsylvania Dutch (kapp). I’m assuming it’s the proper term, and people didn’t use it to differentiate as much until veils became more common.

I hadn't ever heard the term capp or kapp that I can recall until it came up on MD. It's not in common usage among the people I'm around IRL. We just call it a covering. A veil is also a covering, but calling it a veil distinguishes it from other types of coverings.

Same. It goes in my list of vocabulary I learned on mennonet/Mennodiscuss.

The Amish call their head covering a kapp (pronounced 'cop') in German/PA Dutch. Presumably others have picked up the term to differentiate it from other sorts of head coverings such as hanging veils, scarves, bandanas etc.

[joshuabgood]

Kapp is the German word for the forbearer to what folks like me grew up calling a covering. Often there were two layers also, a inner white one covered by and outer black one, I believe that was worn when going outside say or on the way to a formal occasion to keep the white one clean I guess.

[Valerie]

Kapp is the German word for the forbearer to what folks like me grew up calling a covering. Often there were two layers also, a inner white one covered by and outer black one, I believe that was worn when going outside say or on the way to a formal occasion to keep the white one clean I guess.

I heard of Kapp before I heard covering- I heard it called a prayer Kapp- and it was before I joined the forum. I learned covering later.

In our area of Amish many still wear both the white and the black at the same time. Talk about hot!

[barnhart]

I hadn't ever heard the term capp or kapp that I can recall until it came up on MD. It's not in common usage among the people I'm around IRL. We just call it a covering. A veil is also a covering, but calling it a veil distinguishes it from other types of coverings.

Same. It goes in my list of vocabulary I learned on mennonet/Mennodiscuss.

The Amish call their head covering a kapp (pronounced 'cop') in German/PA Dutch. Presumably others have picked up the term to differentiate it from other sorts of head coverings such as hanging veils, scarves, bandanas etc.

Maybe this explains my ignorance. I have very little exposure to Amish culture or language until marriage.

[Thomas_muntzer]

I’m not sure if I should jump in here or not…

This forum is for having conversations about different topics, as long as everything is based on respect.