Illegal alien arrivals now greater than American births?

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Re: Illegal alien arrivals now greater than American births?

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Ken wrote: ↑Mon Jun 30, 2025 5:17 pm Likewise with respect to the Old Testament we can discern which commands are of the universal variety (like the 10 Commandments), and which really apply to certain circumstances of time and place related to a specific battle or conflict. And I would suggest that commands and teachings related to how we treat strangers among us is of the universal type of teaching. It fact, hospitality towards strangers is a principle deeply embedded in all the Abrahamic faiths, Judaism, Islam, and Christianity.
And I think we see these themes echoed in the New Testament (list prepared with help of GPT).

New Testament Passages on Justice, Hospitality, and Inclusion
  • Mark 12:38–40 (ESV)
    “In his teaching he said, ‘Beware of the scribes… who devour widows’ houses and for a pretense make long prayers. They will receive the greater condemnation.’”
  • Luke 20:45–47 (ESV)
    “Beware of the scribes… who devour widows’ houses and for a pretense make long prayers. They will receive the greater condemnation.’”
  • James 1:27 (ESV)
    “Religion that is pure and undefiled before God the Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unstained from the world.”
  • Matthew 25:35–36 (ESV)
    “For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, … I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.”
  • Hebrews 13:2 (ESV)
    “Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers, for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.”
  • 1 Timothy 5:3–10 (ESV)
    “Honor widows who are truly widows… if she has brought up children, has shown hospitality, has washed the saints’ feet, has helped the afflicted, and has devoted herself to every good work.”
  • Romans 12:13 (ESV)
    “Contribute to the needs of the saints and seek to show hospitality.”
  • John 4:4–42 (ESV)
    Jesus speaks with the Samaritan woman at the well, offers her “living water,” and reveals Himself as the Messiah—crossing deep ethnic and gender barriers.
  • Luke 10:25–37 (ESV)
    The Parable of the Good Samaritan: Jesus redefines “neighbor” by making a despised outsider the hero who shows mercy.
  • Luke 17:11–19 (ESV)
    Of the ten lepers Jesus heals, only the Samaritan returns to thank Him—highlighting gratitude from the outcast.
  • Acts 10:1–48 (ESV)
    Peter’s vision and Cornelius’s household: the Holy Spirit falls on Gentiles, and Peter baptizes them, affirming that “God shows no partiality.”
  • Acts 13:46–49 (ESV)
    After synagogue rejection, Paul turns to the Gentiles, and “the Gentiles … rejoice and honor the word of the Lord.”
  • Romans 1:16 (ESV)
    “I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.”
  • Galatians 3:28 (ESV)
    “In Christ Jesus… there is neither Jew nor Greek.”
  • Ephesians 2:11–22 (ESV)
    Christ has “broken down the dividing wall of hostility” so that Gentiles are now fellow heirs and members of God’s household.
  • 1 Corinthians 12:13 (ESV)
    “All of us were baptized… into one body—Jews or Greeks, slaves or free.”
And maybe these parts of the Sermon on the Mount are also relevant here:
  • Matthew 5:7
    “Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy.”
  • Matthew 5:43–44
    “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you.”
  • Matthew 7:1–2
    “Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you.”
  • Matthew 7:12
    “So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.”
Note that Jesus seems to think The Law and the Prophets are relevant.
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Did you compile those lists with the help of AI?
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Bootstrap wrote: ↑Mon Jun 30, 2025 1:46 pm
Josh wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 4:06 pm Why are so many infesting this country?
Infesting? You aren't from the US, you count as an immigrant. Are you "infesting" the country? Weren't you here illegally at one point? Do you get Medicaid and other benefits?

Why shouldn't we apply everything you say about other immigrants to you?

And why do you use the same language Hitler used to refer to Jews? Isn't that clearly hate-mongering? This is not a Kingdom of God approach to anything.
That user doesn't exist anymore i don't know if we should answer those comments

The guy was an illegal inmigrant calling other illegal inmigrants an infestation ? ohh the irony
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Thomas_muntzer wrote: ↑Mon Jun 30, 2025 7:57 pm
Bootstrap wrote: ↑Mon Jun 30, 2025 1:46 pm
Josh wrote: ↑Fri Dec 29, 2023 4:06 pm Why are so many infesting this country?
Infesting? You aren't from the US, you count as an immigrant. Are you "infesting" the country? Weren't you here illegally at one point? Do you get Medicaid and other benefits?

Why shouldn't we apply everything you say about other immigrants to you?

And why do you use the same language Hitler used to refer to Jews? Isn't that clearly hate-mongering? This is not a Kingdom of God approach to anything.
That user doesn't exist anymore i don't know if we should answer those comments

The guy was an illegal inmigrant calling other illegal inmigrants an infestation ? ohh the irony
Josh is John’s previous username.
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Re: Illegal alien arrivals now greater than American births?

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JohnH wrote: ↑Mon Jun 30, 2025 3:52 pm

When it comes to treatment of foreigners, I don't think the OT provides very good guidance to present-day believers
In this I differ with you, the Old Testament can shed light on situations we are analyzing

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Re: The “Great Replacement” in America.

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Szdfan wrote: ↑Mon Jun 30, 2025 8:21 pm
Thomas_muntzer wrote: ↑Mon Jun 30, 2025 7:57 pm
Bootstrap wrote: ↑Mon Jun 30, 2025 1:46 pm

Infesting? You aren't from the US, you count as an immigrant. Are you "infesting" the country? Weren't you here illegally at one point? Do you get Medicaid and other benefits?

Why shouldn't we apply everything you say about other immigrants to you?

And why do you use the same language Hitler used to refer to Jews? Isn't that clearly hate-mongering? This is not a Kingdom of God approach to anything.
That user doesn't exist anymore i don't know if we should answer those comments

The guy was an illegal inmigrant calling other illegal inmigrants an infestation ? ohh the irony
Josh is John’s previous username.
ahhh ok i was confused because it said josh user no longer exists. Thanks for the clarification
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Re: The “Great Replacement” in America.

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Thomas_muntzer wrote: ↑Mon Jun 30, 2025 8:27 pm
Szdfan wrote: ↑Mon Jun 30, 2025 8:21 pm
Thomas_muntzer wrote: ↑Mon Jun 30, 2025 7:57 pm

That user doesn't exist anymore i don't know if we should answer those comments

The guy was an illegal inmigrant calling other illegal inmigrants an infestation ? ohh the irony
Josh is John’s previous username.
ahhh ok i was confused because it said josh user no longer exists. Thanks for the clarification
Thanks for clarifying that. I didn't know that either.
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Szdfan wrote: ↑Sun Jun 29, 2025 10:43 pm You claim you came up with "demographic replacement" on your own without any outside influence, even though it shares the same language as white nationalists. Are you arguing that describing demographic change as "replacement" is as morally neutral as liking dogs?
I would go out on a limb and make the claim that it’s a morally neutral term. It a sociological descriptor far more than it is a conspiracy theory. I don’t think it explains the situation in the United States very well but I do think it explains the context in certain European countries; particularly France and The UK. As an idea, The Great Replacement is the provenance of Renaud Camus, hardly a man of the Right. He makes no claim that there’s a worldwide cabal of elites orchestrating the demographic collapse of native Europeans. Simply, that it’s happening.
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HondurasKeiser wrote: ↑Mon Jun 30, 2025 8:59 pm I would go out on a limb and make the claim that it’s a morally neutral term. It a sociological descriptor far more than it is a conspiracy theory. I don’t think it explains the situation in the United States very well but I do think it explains the context in certain European countries; particularly France and The UK. As an idea, The Great Replacement is the provenance of Renaud Camus, hardly a man of the Right. He makes no claim that there’s a worldwide cabal of elites orchestrating the demographic collapse of native Europeans. Simply, that it’s happening.

I won't join you on that limb. The morally neutral term is demographic shift.
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HondurasKeiser wrote: ↑Mon Jun 30, 2025 8:59 pm I would go out on a limb and make the claim that it’s a morally neutral term. It a sociological descriptor far more than it is a conspiracy theory. I don’t think it explains the situation in the United States very well but I do think it explains the context in certain European countries; particularly France and The UK. As an idea, The Great Replacement is the provenance of Renaud Camus, hardly a man of the Right. He makes no claim that there’s a worldwide cabal of elites orchestrating the demographic collapse of native Europeans. Simply, that it’s happening.
Many thanks for pointing this out.
That is, just because a certain faction uses certain common words (or gestures, etc.) does NOT mean they own every use of those words/gestures. It’s personal speculation, rarely if ever intended to be gracious or merciful. It happens too often.
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