Election Day 2024

[Jazman]

Here is a quote from never-trumper Brett Stephens' opinion piece published this AM in the NY Times (JohnL & Grace - you can skip this if you want ) that speaks to some of the dismissiveness that many voters have felt over liberal social overreach:

The dismissiveness with which liberals treated these concerns [Inflation & Immmigration] was part of something else: dismissiveness toward the moral objections many Americans have to various progressive causes. Concerned about gender transitions for children or about biological males playing on girls’ sports teams? You’re a transphobe. Dismayed by tedious, mandatory and frequently counterproductive D.E.I. seminars that treat white skin as almost inherently problematic? You’re racist. Irritated by new terminology that is supposed to be more inclusive but feels as if it’s borrowing a page from “1984”? That’s doubleplusungood.

The Democratic Party at its best stands for fairness and freedom. But the politics of today’s left is heavy on social engineering according to group identity. It also, increasingly, stands for the forcible imposition of bizarre cultural norms on hundreds of millions of Americans who want to live and let live but don’t like being told how to speak or what to think. Too many liberals forgot this, which explains how a figure like Trump, with his boisterous and transgressive disdain for liberal pieties, could be re-elected to the presidency.

I agree, but doesn't MAGA want to force a lot of things on people as well? Isn't there a whole bunch of different groups that MAGA has no intention of letting them "live and let live"?

[Jazman]

Biden I think did, at least when he was healthy, appeal to the white blue collar American, and on his best days, similar to Trump, his sort of off the cuff authenticity resonated with people in a way that Kamala's persona didn't.

Back during the Bush vs. Gore campaigns, I remember seeing a cartoon by Mike Luckovich, with Gore giving a long academic response to a question. This was then compared with Bush. "Me got big tax cut. Everyone get cash!"
I can't find the cartoon anymore but would like to see it if anyone can find it.

Recently I read that Harris had the same trouble. Too often she used modern academic lingo that really didn't connect with the working class. Again, I can't find where I read this but maybe somebody can help me out.

Yeah, mostly... although I thought at times that her (and superpacs?) ads about Trump's "tax" should have been more honest and explanatory by using the word "tariff" and how so many promised tariffs could drive up prices (inflation) for ordinary people... but all I ever heard was "tax"... and maybe that was geared towards our deep problem of low-info/no-info voters who wouldn't know what the word 'tariff' meant? But even that may have backfired because all the people I know would have immediately dismissed these ads because they knew Trump was promising 'less/no' taxes...

[temporal1]

I agree, but doesn't MAGA want to force a lot of things on people as well? Isn't there a whole bunch of different groups that MAGA has no intention of letting them "live and let live"?

(Not DanZ!) -
The difference to me is treating legal citizens fairly - not specially.
Example: DJT allowed pride month, didn’t “ordain” it from the bully pulpit.

Dr Ben Carson spoke to this difference, too.
Equal doesn’t mean special. It’s sad to realize this has become a point of dispute.

[HondurasKeiser]

Here is a quote from never-trumper Brett Stephens' opinion piece published this AM in the NY Times (JohnL & Grace - you can skip this if you want ) that speaks to some of the dismissiveness that many voters have felt over liberal social overreach:

The dismissiveness with which liberals treated these concerns [Inflation & Immmigration] was part of something else: dismissiveness toward the moral objections many Americans have to various progressive causes. Concerned about gender transitions for children or about biological males playing on girls’ sports teams? You’re a transphobe. Dismayed by tedious, mandatory and frequently counterproductive D.E.I. seminars that treat white skin as almost inherently problematic? You’re racist. Irritated by new terminology that is supposed to be more inclusive but feels as if it’s borrowing a page from “1984”? That’s doubleplusungood.

The Democratic Party at its best stands for fairness and freedom. But the politics of today’s left is heavy on social engineering according to group identity. It also, increasingly, stands for the forcible imposition of bizarre cultural norms on hundreds of millions of Americans who want to live and let live but don’t like being told how to speak or what to think. Too many liberals forgot this, which explains how a figure like Trump, with his boisterous and transgressive disdain for liberal pieties, could be re-elected to the presidency.

I agree, but doesn't MAGA want to force a lot of things on people as well? Isn't there a whole bunch of different groups that MAGA has no intention of letting them "live and let live"?

For example?

[ken_sylvania]

Here is a quote from never-trumper Brett Stephens' opinion piece published this AM in the NY Times (JohnL & Grace - you can skip this if you want ) that speaks to some of the dismissiveness that many voters have felt over liberal social overreach:

I agree, but doesn't MAGA want to force a lot of things on people as well? Isn't there a whole bunch of different groups that MAGA has no intention of letting them "live and let live"?

For example?

I think it depends on what is meant by "live and let live." Recently it's been defined as meaning that various sorts of perversions can be acted out in public, in schools, in libraries, etc. Those who aren't interested in having that happen are accused of not being willing to "live and let live."

[Robert]

[Bootstrap]

NYT estimates that of the electoral votes, Trump will get 312 (58%) and Harris 226 (42%)

Early this morning Trump said,

“This was a movement like nobody’s ever seen before, and frankly, this was, I believe, the greatest political movement of all time. There’s never been anything like this in this country, and maybe beyond,”

I suppose a person can think their movement is the greatest for any number of reasons.

He got about 51% of the popular vote.

That's common in presidential elections. They are close. And about 50% of the country voted for the other candidate. Ideally, that should tell us something about what it means to be president for 100% of the country.

[Ken]

NYT estimates that of the electoral votes, Trump will get 312 (58%) and Harris 226 (42%)

Early this morning Trump said,

“This was a movement like nobody’s ever seen before, and frankly, this was, I believe, the greatest political movement of all time. There’s never been anything like this in this country, and maybe beyond,”

I suppose a person can think their movement is the greatest for any number of reasons.

He got about 51% of the popular vote.

That's common in presidential elections. They are close. And about 50% of the country voted for the other candidate. Ideally, that should tell us something about what it means to be president for 100% of the country.

The 2024 election is about equally close as the 2020 election was.

In fact in 2020 Biden's popular vote margin was about 8 million votes whereas Trump's popular vote margin in 2024 is only about 4.5 million and shrinking as more CA votes get counted.

In terms of electoral college, Biden won 307 electoral college votes and Trump seems on track to win 311 which is pretty close.

The difference is that in 2024 we just has endless screaming about fraud and stolen elections from Trump on down but I haven't seen any of that from Democrats this year. At least not from the candidates, campaign, or anyone in elected office. Despite an election that was equally close as the one in 2020.

[Pelerin]

Well if I’d have known he was going to do that maybe I would have voted for him. I always liked Joel.

[Valerie]

NYT estimates that of the electoral votes, Trump will get 312 (58%) and Harris 226 (42%)

Early this morning Trump said,

I suppose a person can think their movement is the greatest for any number of reasons.

He got about 51% of the popular vote.

That's common in presidential elections. They are close. And about 50% of the country voted for the other candidate. Ideally, that should tell us something about what it means to be president for 100% of the country.

The 2024 election is about equally close as the 2020 election was.

In fact in 2020 Biden's popular vote margin was about 8 million votes whereas Trump's popular vote margin in 2024 is only about 4.5 million and shrinking as more CA votes get counted.

In terms of electoral college, Biden won 307 electoral college votes and Trump seems on track to win 311 which is pretty close.

The difference is that in 2024 we just has endless screaming about fraud and stolen elections from Trump on down but I haven't seen any of that from Democrats this year. At least not from the candidates, campaign, or anyone in elected office. Despite an election that was equally close as the one in 2020.

Our newspapers and local news keep calling this historic and a "sweep" - and they were not fans so I'm impressed with their reporting today