Springfield, Ohio (political)

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Re: Springfield, Ohio (political)

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sojourner wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2024 8:14 pm I can assure you that is not a comprehensive list. I have personally been to a country not found on that list, and been offered "dog" for dinner. I politely declined.
Sure. I've also looked at the Wikipedia entry on "cat meat," which lists a few additional countries. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_meat

Haiti is not on that list.
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Szdfan wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2024 8:16 pm
sojourner wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2024 8:14 pm I can assure you that is not a comprehensive list. I have personally been to a country not found on that list, and been offered "dog" for dinner. I politely declined.
Sure. I've also looked at the Wikipedia entry on "cat meat," which lists a few additional countries. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_meat

Haiti is not on that list.
Even if it was, it wouldn't mean that Haitian immigrants were stealing cats and dogs to eat them in Springfield. That part is clearly an unsubstantiated lie on the part of Trump and Vance. And in Vance's case it is lies about his own constituents.
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Re: Springfield, Ohio (political)

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Ken wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2024 8:22 pm
Szdfan wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2024 8:16 pm
sojourner wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2024 8:14 pm I can assure you that is not a comprehensive list. I have personally been to a country not found on that list, and been offered "dog" for dinner. I politely declined.
Sure. I've also looked at the Wikipedia entry on "cat meat," which lists a few additional countries. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_meat

Haiti is not on that list.
Even if it was, it wouldn't mean that Haitian immigrants were stealing cats and dogs to eat them in Springfield. That part is clearly an unsubstantiated lie on the part of Trump and Vance. And in Vance's case it is lies about his own constituents.
Absolutely. Cats are eaten in China and yet I’ve never seen any evidence to substantiate the stereotype that Chinese restaurants in America are secretly feeding cats to their unsuspecting customers.

Robert’s claim is that cat is part of Haitian culture. Food that is cultural have names. What’s the name of a dish that uses cat as an ingredient.
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Re: Springfield, Ohio (political)

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Szdfan wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2024 8:52 pm
Ken wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2024 8:22 pm
Szdfan wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2024 8:16 pm
Sure. I've also looked at the Wikipedia entry on "cat meat," which lists a few additional countries. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_meat

Haiti is not on that list.
Even if it was, it wouldn't mean that Haitian immigrants were stealing cats and dogs to eat them in Springfield. That part is clearly an unsubstantiated lie on the part of Trump and Vance. And in Vance's case it is lies about his own constituents.
Absolutely. Cats are eaten in China and yet I’ve never seen any evidence to substantiate the stereotype that Chinese restaurants in America are secretly feeding cats to their unsuspecting customers.

Robert’s claim is that cat is part of Haitian culture. Food that is cultural have names. What’s the name of a dish that uses cat as an ingredient.
Having lived in Liberia, Africa, we quickly learned that you never know for sure what kind of meat you are eating in any given dish that includes meat, unless you ask. It might be day old road kill. It might be monkey. It might be mountain lion. It's whatever is available. That is the culture of Liberia. I'm guessing Haiti is the same.

When we first arrived in Liberia, there were very few dogs and cats around because most of them were eaten during the 15 year civil war that had ended 1 year before we arrived.
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The main lesson from Springfield, OH, as it relates to the OP, is that most politicians nowadays will use whatever they can to get elected.
As this and other threads have detailed, lying is now something that is ok to use for political campaigning. And when they are called out on it, they change the narrative and keep doubling down on their rhetoric. So what if the folks who unwittingly get used as props for campaign spiels get dragged into something they wish they hadn't.

We have seen this happen over and over in the Trump/Vance campaign as well as the Harris/Walz/Biden campaign.
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Szdfan wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2024 8:15 pm
barnhart wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2024 8:09 pm
Szdfan wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2024 7:09 pm
I have yet to find any evidence that supports the claim that Haitians culturally eat cats.
They must be different Hatians than those I know...
Ok...I've been looking without finding anything. What's a traditional Haitian dish that uses cat as an ingredient?
If you've been looking in the US it's no wonder you found nothing. I suggest you go to Haiti and search there if you want to find someone eating cats or dogs.
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Szdfan wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2024 8:52 pm Cats are eaten in China and yet I’ve never seen any evidence to substantiate the stereotype that Chinese restaurants in America are secretly feeding cats to their unsuspecting customers.
If everyone thinks they might be doing that, they have no unsuspecting customers.
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Ken wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2024 8:22 pm

Even if it was, it wouldn't mean that Haitian immigrants were stealing cats and dogs to eat them in Springfield. That part is clearly an unsubstantiated lie on the part of Trump and Vance. And in Vance's case it is lies about his own constituents.
Ken, I do get very tired of your know it all attitude. Tone it down or leave.
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Re: Springfield, Ohio (political)

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Szdfan wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2024 8:52 pm
Ken wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2024 8:22 pm
Szdfan wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2024 8:16 pm
Sure. I've also looked at the Wikipedia entry on "cat meat," which lists a few additional countries. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_meat

Haiti is not on that list.
Even if it was, it wouldn't mean that Haitian immigrants were stealing cats and dogs to eat them in Springfield. That part is clearly an unsubstantiated lie on the part of Trump and Vance. And in Vance's case it is lies about his own constituents.
Absolutely. Cats are eaten in China and yet I’ve never seen any evidence to substantiate the stereotype that Chinese restaurants in America are secretly feeding cats to their unsuspecting customers.

Robert’s claim is that cat is part of Haitian culture. Food that is cultural have names. What’s the name of a dish that uses cat as an ingredient.
A Chinese Cary out in our area was closed for having roadkill in their walk-in. Not necessarily serving it, just having it.
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Re: Springfield, Ohio (political)

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GaryK wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2024 9:04 pm
Szdfan wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2024 8:52 pm
Ken wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2024 8:22 pm

Even if it was, it wouldn't mean that Haitian immigrants were stealing cats and dogs to eat them in Springfield. That part is clearly an unsubstantiated lie on the part of Trump and Vance. And in Vance's case it is lies about his own constituents.
Absolutely. Cats are eaten in China and yet I’ve never seen any evidence to substantiate the stereotype that Chinese restaurants in America are secretly feeding cats to their unsuspecting customers.

Robert’s claim is that cat is part of Haitian culture. Food that is cultural have names. What’s the name of a dish that uses cat as an ingredient.
Having lived in Liberia, Africa, we quickly learned that you never know for sure what kind of meat you are eating in any given dish that includes meat, unless you ask. It might be day old road kill. It might be monkey. It might be mountain lion. It's whatever is available. That is the culture of Liberia. I'm guessing Haiti is the same.

When we first arrived in Liberia, there were very few dogs and cats around because most of them were eaten during the 15 year civil war that had ended 1 year before we arrived.
I buy that, but I think there's a difference between people in extreme poverty eating whatever meat they can locate and it being a part of the regular culture. If it truly is a part of the Haitian culture -- and not just eaten during times of necessity -- then it should be possible to find the name of a dish that uses cats as an ingredient.
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