Poll: Daniel Perry - Should he have been pardoned?

[Josh]

rscores the hypocrisy of a lot of these survivalist types. You find them all over the rural west. There were loads of them back in Texas. Living on SSDI based on claims of varying degrees of legitimacy.

You certainly have your share in rural southern Ohio as well as the rest of Appalachia.

I doubt that was the intended effect of these programs though. More like how they are abused.

It is also more of a rural problem than urban problem. Disability rates are higher in rural areas than urban areas: https://www.census.gov/library/stories/ ... areas.html

I used to live on a street (in a city) where myself and the other people in the house I lived in were basically the only people who worked. Everyone else just sat around at home all day. They all got a "crazy check", or child support from a non-resident father, or else got SSI or SSDI for some complicated reason, often hereditary - because their parent was on SSDI or SSI. People wouldn't work because "then my Social Security will go down".

Of course, urban areas with wealthy upper-middle-class people aren't going to have that syndrome.

[Ernie]

Over the years, Tableland turned into outlaw country. It is now sparsely populated by marijuana growers, tweakers, loners, and dreamers. Most people live in trailers, often surrounded by a penumbra of trash and outbuildings in various stages of decomposition. They pay for necessities with money they receive through government assistance. Residents by and large are wary of outsiders and often of each other, even as they sometimes need their neighbors in times of crisis—a dead pickup, a lean winter, a snowed-in road. Self-reliance may be the ideal, but reciprocity is the reality.

The closest town, Beatty, is down off the mesas. It has just one small store, the Palomino Deli, which is the unofficial community center for Tableland residents. Its owner, Sara Palomino, a circumspect woman with dark hair and dark lipstick, knows everything that happens in the area. The nearest law enforcement is in Klamath Falls, 50 miles and a good hour-and-a-half drive southwest. The Klamath County Sheriff’s Office is spread extremely thin. From 7 a.m. to 3 a.m., its minimum staffing level is three people on patrol in the entire county, which at 6,136 square miles is considerably larger than Connecticut. After 3 a.m., deputies are simply on-call in case of an emergency.

3 sheriffs for an area larger than CT. Hard to believe!

[Ken]

Over the years, Tableland turned into outlaw country. It is now sparsely populated by marijuana growers, tweakers, loners, and dreamers. Most people live in trailers, often surrounded by a penumbra of trash and outbuildings in various stages of decomposition. They pay for necessities with money they receive through government assistance. Residents by and large are wary of outsiders and often of each other, even as they sometimes need their neighbors in times of crisis—a dead pickup, a lean winter, a snowed-in road. Self-reliance may be the ideal, but reciprocity is the reality.

The closest town, Beatty, is down off the mesas. It has just one small store, the Palomino Deli, which is the unofficial community center for Tableland residents. Its owner, Sara Palomino, a circumspect woman with dark hair and dark lipstick, knows everything that happens in the area. The nearest law enforcement is in Klamath Falls, 50 miles and a good hour-and-a-half drive southwest. The Klamath County Sheriff’s Office is spread extremely thin. From 7 a.m. to 3 a.m., its minimum staffing level is three people on patrol in the entire county, which at 6,136 square miles is considerably larger than Connecticut. After 3 a.m., deputies are simply on-call in case of an emergency.

3 sheriffs for an area larger than CT. Hard to believe!

Yep. The wild west still exists out here in many places in the west. Read the article. Oregon isn't all greenies.

[Josh]

The population is less than 2% of Connecticut's. For comparison, Connecticut has about 6,000 police officers amongst its cities, and the northwest side of the state has some quite sparsely populated areas too that are served by just a sheriff and the state police, much like Klamath Co.

So it's not that stark of a difference.

[Ken]

The population is less than 2% of Connecticut's. For comparison, Connecticut has about 6,000 police officers amongst its cities, and the northwest side of the state has some quite sparsely populated areas too that are served by just a sheriff and the state police, much like Klamath Co.

So it's not that stark of a difference.

No Josh, rural Oregon is not "much like" rural Connecticut.

And the larger point is that lawlessness and slow police response is not some urban thing as you claim. You can find it everywhere. Including in the person of homicidal right wing crazies like this Daniel Perry person. Who deliberately sought out and drove his car into the middle of a protest, then rolled down the window and shot people. Right after he had made numerous posts to social media saying he wanted to go shoot protesters.

This is the person we are talking about in this thread: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Garrett_Foster

On July 25, 2020, Daniel Perry, a then-30-year old United States Army sergeant, had been working his Uber shift when he encountered a protest against police brutality that was blocking the road. Perry originally stopped and honked his car horn at the protesters, but later ran a red light and drove his car into the crowd. Garrett Foster, a 28-year old United States Air Force veteran who was legally open carrying an AK-47 walked up to Perry in an attempt to tell him to stop driving into the crowd. After he walked up to Perry's vehicle, Perry shot and killed Foster. Perry claimed self-defense and claimed that Foster had pointed his weapon at him, but eyewitnesses contradicted this account.

When Perry was interviewed by police about what happened before the shooting and how Foster held his gun, Perry said: "I believe he was going to aim it at me … I didn’t want to give him a chance to aim at me, you know.

Perry had made numerous posts and direct messages on social media where he had expressed his desire to shoot protesters, which, along with contradictory statements to eyewitness accounts, brought into question his claim of self-defense. Following his murder conviction, messages Perry sent of him self-identifying as "a racist" and of him calling black protesters "monkeys" were revealed to the public.

On April 13, 2023, a state district judge unsealed court records that revealed more anti-protester social media posts, racist messages, and sexually predatory online advances made by Perry that the jury did not see or hear. Among these included Perry declaring "I am a racist," and comparing the Black Lives Matter movement to "monkeys" multiple times, and also as "animals at the zoo".He also stated in a text, "To [sic] bad we can't get paid for hunting Muslims in Europe." Soon after murdering Foster, Perry searched for "degrees of murder charges". Evidence was also revealed from when Perry's phone was seized, where Perry searched on the Safari web browser "good chats to meet young girls on Kik", an app infamously known for hosting grooming, and had talked sexually with a 16-year-old girl on the app.

Of the 139,000 people serving time in Texas, this violent racist and sexual predator of young teens is who governor Greg Abbott thought most worthy of a pardon.

[Josh]

Thanks for your sharing your political propaganda.

[RZehr]

Klamath County which is on the eastern, less populated part of the state, is actually smaller in sq miles, and larger in population at 10 people/sq mile, that its neighbor Lake County, which is even larger in area, and averages 1 person/sq mile.
And Lake County is in turn, smaller in area, and larger in population that its neighbor Harney County, which comes in at 0.7 people per square mile. Then there is Malheur County next at 3 people/ mile.

These four counties collectively are bigger than South Carolina or West Virginia or Maine. Just under Indiana.
But their population is about 10% of Rhode Island’s. This is empty country.

[Ken]

Thanks for your sharing your political propaganda.

Well, of all the convicted criminals in Texas do YOU think that Daniel Perry was most deserving of a pardon?

Do you think he was wrongly convicted?
Do you think he has shown remorse?

[Josh]

Thanks for your sharing your political propaganda.

Well, of all the convicted criminals in Texas do YOU think that Daniel Perry was most deserving of a pardon?

Do you think he was wrongly convicted?
Do you think he has shown remorse?

It's obviously a political statement. Given that left-wing governors refuse to prosecute left-wing violence and use whatever means they can to harass their political enemies, are you surprised a right-wing governor has decided to put the left wing on notice that there is a limit to how much the right wing is going to try to play by the rules whilst the left-wing blatantly breaks the rules?

If you don't like this sort of thing, then the left wing needs to stop operating by "the ends justify the means". If they don't get this under control, the current political right is eventually going to be replaced with a new right wing that also operates by the "end justifies the means".

[Ken]

Thanks for your sharing your political propaganda.

Well, of all the convicted criminals in Texas do YOU think that Daniel Perry was most deserving of a pardon?

Do you think he was wrongly convicted?
Do you think he has shown remorse?

It's obviously a political statement. Given that left-wing governors refuse to prosecute left-wing violence and use whatever means they can to harass their political enemies, are you surprised a right-wing governor has decided to put the left wing on notice that there is a limit to how much the right wing is going to try to play by the rules whilst the left-wing blatantly breaks the rules?

If you don't like this sort of thing, then the left wing needs to stop operating by "the ends justify the means". If they don't get this under control, the current political right is eventually going to be replaced with a new right wing that also operates by the "end justifies the means".

Right….

Name one left-wing murderer who was pardoned by a Democratic governor anywhere in the US. Or for that matter, name one single left-wing murderer anywhere in the US who should have been prosecuted but was not for political reasons.

Go ahead, we will wait.

If what you claim is actually true and not just right-wing propaganda then you should have no trouble finding lots of actual examples of left-wing murders going free to show us.