Trans student killed in school

[Judas Maccabeus]

I don't care what a person's background "issue" is. Don't mess around when it comes to mental health struggles. Encourage them to get real help.

Trust me on this.

The discussion is, is “gender transition “ help or harm”? They need help, for sure, the help that will really help them is more likely treatment for depression, be it cognitive therapy, medication or even ECT. All of these have evidence that they work. Gender transition has no controlled studies to show it actually helps? My contention is that it is not real help.

[Szdfan]

I don't care what a person's background "issue" is. Don't mess around when it comes to mental health struggles. Encourage them to get real help.

Trust me on this.

The discussion is, is “gender transition “ help or harm”? They need help, for sure, the help that will really help them is more likely treatment for depression, be it cognitive therapy, medication or even ECT. All of these have evidence that they work. Gender transition has no controlled studies to show it actually helps? My contention is that it is not real help.

Do you think that social and religious hostility towards transgender kids plays a role in depression?

[steve-in-kville]

I don't care what a person's background "issue" is. Don't mess around when it comes to mental health struggles. Encourage them to get real help.

Trust me on this.

The discussion is, is “gender transition “ help or harm”? They need help, for sure, the help that will really help them is more likely treatment for depression, be it cognitive therapy, medication or even ECT. All of these have evidence that they work. Gender transition has no controlled studies to show it actually helps? My contention is that it is not real help.

Do you think that social and religious hostility towards transgender kids plays a role in depression?

Last year, our local school district had to deal with the issue on what bathrooms/locker rooms a trans kid had to use. It stemmed from the parents. The majority of the students didn't care or had no opinion. It was the parents bullying these students at sports functions.

[Josh]

I don't care what a person's background "issue" is. Don't mess around when it comes to mental health struggles. Encourage them to get real help.

Trust me on this.

The discussion is, is “gender transition “ help or harm”? They need help, for sure, the help that will really help them is more likely treatment for depression, be it cognitive therapy, medication or even ECT. All of these have evidence that they work. Gender transition has no controlled studies to show it actually helps? My contention is that it is not real help.

Do you think that social and religious hostility towards transgender kids plays a role in depression?

No - are you claiming that depression is caused by environmental factors?

[Neto]

Something that really bothers me is that so many people are more interested in how a particular case impacts their own 'cause' - how they can use a girl's death at her own hand to further advance their pet philosophy. This girl was not "trans", nor was she in a restroom not designated for her actual gender. According to her testimony to the police, the bullying was about "how she laughed" and "how she dressed".

I was bullied when I was in public school, in that very same school system. But I had Christ in my life, and a good family environment. (Well, except that my oldest brother was also bullying me.) She had a severely broken family life, and didn't have Christ in her life. I never considered killing myself. This is one of the reasons why I am not for pulling our children out of public school. Sure, it wasn't all pleasant, in fact, by Jr High through HS it was on the whole pretty rough. But there's a Christian woman now who according to what she wrote in my Sr year school annual (as a non-believer) who may have made the choice she did later because of me. And as far as I can remember all I really did was say no to her request to help her cheat on a test, and explain why I couldn't - that it was not because I didn't want to help her, but because of my faith, because it would be wrong. Maybe it was more than that, I don't know. Another girl wrote about something that I do not remember at all. She said that when the Psyc teacher passed around a pornographic picture in class, that I passed it on, face down, to the person behind me - that she saw that I didn't look at it at all. (From what she wrote, it sounded like she had looked at it herself.) My point is not to brag, but to say that there are other young people out there in the public school whose only possible exposure to Jesus may be through one Christian student who is right there beside them in the classroom. I'll stop now, because now I'm crying again.

[Szdfan]

The discussion is, is “gender transition “ help or harm”? They need help, for sure, the help that will really help them is more likely treatment for depression, be it cognitive therapy, medication or even ECT. All of these have evidence that they work. Gender transition has no controlled studies to show it actually helps? My contention is that it is not real help.

Do you think that social and religious hostility towards transgender kids plays a role in depression?

No - are you claiming that depression is caused by environmental factors?

Environmental factors are one of the causes of depression.

[Josh]

Do you think that social and religious hostility towards transgender kids plays a role in depression?

No - are you claiming that depression is caused by environmental factors?

Environmental factors are one of the causes of depression.

Okay. So you believe depression to the point of suicide is caused by… people around someone not agreeing to go along with their delusions about them being a different sex than they actually are?

[Szdfan]

No - are you claiming that depression is caused by environmental factors?

Environmental factors are one of the causes of depression.

Okay. So you believe depression to the point of suicide is caused by… people around someone not agreeing to go along with their delusions about them being a different sex than they actually are?

I think people can be bullied into depression to the point of suicide.

[Grace]

Okay. So you believe depression to the point of suicide is caused by… people around someone not agreeing to go along with their delusions about them being a different sex than they actually are?

There is a difference between not agreeing to go along with gender delusions/confusions and still treating people, no matter who they are, with kindness, decency and courteousness.

In high school, I was teased and made fun of because I was an obvious Mennonite. I don't think it ever came to the level of bullying though. However as was with Neto, I had loving parents, came from a stable home, and had many Christian friends outside of school. Interestingly some of the higher class girls allowed me to sit with them at lunch. They were the daughters of, one a doctor and the other a dentist, whose fathers treated many Mennonite people in the community. They never participated in the teasing.

[Soloist]

I think people can be bullied into depression to the point of suicide.

My father was accused of deadnaming and my “niece” took offense. It was an accident and he actually is fine doing her male name. I am not.

I do my best to avoid offense but my wife and I have a stance, my father doesn’t.

We have not offended her. My point is that unintentional things can be taken as bullying.

The story here is likely nothing to do with gender ideology, but rather bullying. The question there is what aspect of bullying justifies action from a school?

My son is bullied and he is a bully. The school has a strong stance against it, but they can’t catch everything especially things happening out of view. Unless someone speaks, it wouldn’t be known. Little things happen in front of teachers and children learn what is acceptable to get away with.