Trans student killed in school

[Szdfan]

The child isn't even trans.

Oh right...sorry... a momentary brain fart...it implies that it is better for a non-binary child to be dead instead of alive and non-binary.

From the background reporting he/she identified as non-Binary which is essentially saying they feel they have both male and female identities. But it doesn't mean they were trying to transition from one gender to the other. In the past such a child might just have been referred to as a "tomboy" There really isn't anything new under the sun when it comes to gender. The only thing new is that we have new names for things that have been around for as long as humans have existed.

Right. Anyway...Temp's statement is concerning by what it implies.

[temporal1]

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I don’t see why we should assume where they are although nothing makes me think they identified as following Jesus.

she’s a child. i trust Jesus to know and do God’s perfect will. whatever that may be.

P.4:

Insane. I know an 18 year old kid who just attended this school.
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/non ... 26914.html

a precious child is gone, at the hands of immature teens, who have the physical strength of adults, without maturity or concept of what “final” means. of how fragile life can be.

much of the duty of parents is to socialize their children so they are fit to be in public spaces.
fathers play an important role in this.

teen/child violence happens ‘way too often, more often with knives/handguns. death is final. no do overs.
there is a ripple effect of damage, from the victim and his/her family+loved ones, to perps, witnesses, bystanders, first responders.

there are so many pitfalls, it’s a marvel any of us makes it to adult years, ages 15-25 are specially dangerous years.
(my perception)

i’m not ashamed of anything i’ve posted or even thought about this tragic case. it’s heartbreaking, no matter cod.
if your mind is so twisted you must look for moral failures, look in your mirror.

[Josh]

Oh right...sorry... a momentary brain fart...it implies that it is better for a non-binary child to be dead instead of alive and non-binary.

From the background reporting he/she identified as non-Binary which is essentially saying they feel they have both male and female identities. But it doesn't mean they were trying to transition from one gender to the other. In the past such a child might just have been referred to as a "tomboy" There really isn't anything new under the sun when it comes to gender. The only thing new is that we have new names for things that have been around for as long as humans have existed.

Right. Anyway...Temp's statement is concerning by what it implies.

No, it isn’t. Temp1’s post was very charitable. The only person coming up with any implications is you.

[Ken]

No, it isn’t. Temp1’s post was very charitable. The only person coming up with any implications is you.

What Temp wrote was the following:

Thankfully, Nex is with Jesus now. Away from the insanity.

So we are thankful the child is dead? But also, what "insanity" is Temp referring to here?

The Oklahoma politicians who declared this child to be "filth?"
The people who stirred up death threats against this and other Oklahoma schools for not being bigoted enough against Nex and others?
The politicians who think it important to legislate the manner in which a 15 year old goes to the bathroom?

[Josh]

The politicians who think it important to legislate the manner in which a 15 year old goes to the bathroom?

It's perfectly fine to have laws saying men can't sneak into the women's restroom.

[RZehr]

Oklahoma 16-year-old Nex Benedict died by suicide, according to an autopsy report released Wednesday by the state's Office of the Chief Medical Examiner.

Benedict, a member of the 2SLGBTQ community, died one day after getting into a physical fight with several other students at Owasso High School.

Benedict was nonbinary and went by they/them pronouns, according to Benedict's family. 2SLGBTQ includes Two Spirit, an umbrella term used to describe a third gender in Native and Indigenous communities. Sue Benedict, their mother, is a registered member of the Choctaw Nation.

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/lgbtq-teen-ne ... 00288.html

[temporal1]

[Josh]

So it turns out they weren't killed... they just decided to commit suicide. Which is tragic, for certain. Unfortunately, transsexuality seems to be highly associated with being mentally unstable, and 41% of transsexual people eventually commit suicide. This is why I feel transsexuality needs to be immediately treated as a mental illness.

[Ken]

So it turns out they weren't killed... they just decided to commit suicide. Which is tragic, for certain. Unfortunately, transsexuality seems to be highly associated with being mentally unstable, and 41% of transsexual people eventually commit suicide. This is why I feel transsexuality needs to be immediately treated as a mental illness.

First of all, your statistic is incorrect. The 41% figure is a figure from a 2016 study, but it is measuring suicide ATTEMPTS not the percentage who have committed suicide. Less than 1 in 10 people who attempt suicide die of the attempt. And a meta-analysis done by Harvard of 90 studies on suicide placed the number at 7%: https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/means-matt ... /survival/. If you combine those two numbers you actually get a suicide rate of 2.9%. Among young people the rate is much lower. For every actual suicide there are at least 100 attempts. So for transgender youth the number may be lower than 2.9%.

Secondly, we need to ask WHY transgender people attempt suicide at such high rates. Is the answer INTERNAL (mental illness as you claim?) or is the answer EXTERNAL (bullying, ostracization, abuse etc.). In that same study from which the 41% comes, the researchers determined that the two biggest reasons cited for suicide attempts by transgender people were: (1) bullying, and (2) ostracization by family. And not mental illness. In other words, external factors.

In fact, bullying is more closely linked to teen suicide than any other cause. Not just for trans kids, but for all kids: https://www.mbfpreventioneducation.org/ ... rbullying/



Which leads to the obvious conclusion that the most important single thing we can do to reduce teen suicide of ALL children, not just transgender children, is to tackle the problem of bullying. As well as the second leading cause of suicide by trans kids, family ostracization. And not, as you say, treat them as mentally ill.

Assuming of course that one actually care about suicide attempts by trans children and isn't just wanting to use the issue to whip up religiously-motivated culture war hysteria.

[Josh]

Secondly, we need to ask WHY transgender people attempt suicide at such high rates.

Suicide almost always comes from mental illness. The "why"? Because they have a serious, untreated mental illness, made worse by trying to live out delusions.

[quyote]Is the answer INTERNAL (mental illness as you claim?) or is the answer EXTERNAL (bullying, ostracization, abuse etc.). In that same study from which the 41% comes, the researchers determined that the two biggest reasons cited for suicide attempts by transgender people were: (1) bullying, and (2) ostracization by family. And not mental illness. In other words, external factors.[/quote]

No, that doesn't hold any water. Lots of non-trans people get bullied but don't go and kill themselves.

Which leads to the obvious conclusion that the most important single thing we can do to reduce teen suicide of ALL children, not just transgender children, is to tackle the problem of bullying. As well as the second leading cause of suicide by trans kids, family ostracization. And not, as you say, treat them as mentally ill.

Except that folks on the left have redefined "bullying" as "not going along with a transsexual person's delusions". It's not bullying to refuse to pretend a man is a woman.