Here are my favorite reference works for Patristics, Catholic doctrine, and Orthodox doctrine.
Patristics - Quasten has a comprehensive index that is extremely helpful for seeing the diversity of views on any topic. It also makes it easy to see how they differed over time or across geographical locations. Here's the Amazon version, but you can get it a lot cheaper used from various sources. Seminary students often sell this after finishing their classes ;->
To understand what the Catholic Church teaches, I think reading the Catechism and Canon Law is the best starting point. The Vatican website is very good, with cross reference links.
To understand what the Orthodox Church teaches, I recommend these sources:
Are there better sources than these for people who want authoritative reference works?
Sources for Patristics, Catholic Doctrine, Orthodox Doctrine
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Glad that my resource list helped.
To understand what the Catholic Church teaches, I think reading the Catechism and Canon Law is the best starting point. The Vatican website is very good, with cross reference links.
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Mt 24:35
Proverbs 18:2 A fool does not delight in understanding but only in revealing his own mind.
1 Corinthians 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is folly with God
Mt 24:35
Proverbs 18:2 A fool does not delight in understanding but only in revealing his own mind.
1 Corinthians 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is folly with God
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I didn't copy from your resource list, I have been using these links for at least a decade - often in exchanges with you. But if you have a list you want to share, please do feel free to copy it here. I think I may have seen it, but I don't know where it is.
I do think those two are the most authoritative and simplest to use if you just want to know what the official teaching is.
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I usually use resources from the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, since the material they put up is quite accessible. Generally speaking, my understanding is that what the USCCB says is authoritative.
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Interesting. Over on MD you claimed you had not heard of them when I posted these resources in response to your use of blogs. Nevertheless I am glad the resources I provided are of use. If the Catholic language is difficult, the Diocese of Raleigh in which you reside has people who can explain it to you. They also have accredited Canon lawyers on staff - Canon Law occasionally uses some archaic terms with its own context based in another era. Excellent folk in Raleigh, NC; quite helpful.Bootstrap wrote: ↑Sun Mar 10, 2024 8:26 amI didn't copy from your resource list, I have been using these links for at least a decade - often in exchanges with you. But if you have a list you want to share, please do feel free to copy it here. I think I may have seen it, but I don't know where it is.
I do think those two are the most authoritative and simplest to use if you just want to know what the official teaching is.
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Mt 24:35
Proverbs 18:2 A fool does not delight in understanding but only in revealing his own mind.
1 Corinthians 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is folly with God
Mt 24:35
Proverbs 18:2 A fool does not delight in understanding but only in revealing his own mind.
1 Corinthians 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is folly with God
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Why do you make up lies like that? You really should stop. I have known about the Catechism and Canon Law for most of my adult life. And I have been quoting both to refute claims you have made ever since MD days. You know or should know that. I have the archives, FWIW. I'm not the guy who turns to non-authoritative sources to say what Catholic doctrine is.
Beyond that, why not simply participate in the thread instead of picking fights? Or not participate, your choice. I'm happy to have you participate in this thread, but please, not like this. It changes the subject from the topic to some petty fight.
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I am stating facts and reciprocating that I am glad my resources are helpful. If you are upset by such a minor issue I cannot help you. Only you have responsibility for how you choose to react. In the meantime, the Diocese of Raleigh NC also has classes in RCIA in which the CCC is covered. They too, are useful.Bootstrap wrote: ↑Sun Mar 10, 2024 8:34 amWhy do you make up lies like that? You really should stop. I have known about the Catechism and Canon Law for most of my adult life. And I have been quoting both to refute claims you have made ever since MD days. You know or should know that. I have the archives, FWIW.
Beyond that, why not simply participate in the thread instead of picking fights? Or not participate, your choice. I'm happy to have you participate in this thread, but please, not like this. It changes the subject from the topic to some petty fight.
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Mt 24:35
Proverbs 18:2 A fool does not delight in understanding but only in revealing his own mind.
1 Corinthians 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is folly with God
Mt 24:35
Proverbs 18:2 A fool does not delight in understanding but only in revealing his own mind.
1 Corinthians 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is folly with God
Re: Sources for Patristics, Catholic Doctrine, Orthodox Doctrine
USCCB is helpful - but not everything on the site is considered authoritative.
I find the Catechism extremely accessible. Canon Law is not that hard to understand on any given topic, if you take the time, and there are commentaries on canon law that are helpful. I know that these two are always authoritative.
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I started reading MD in 2013 or early 2014 and don’t recall Bootstrap saying this. To the contrary, I do recall him citing these resources.
Max, I think your tone towards Boot is demeaning and disrespectful. In fact, Boot is well qualified particularly in the area of New Testament language and study. As I’m sure you know, he and I disagree on a great many things but I have a lot of respect for his experience and expertise on this area. He is a public figure whose reputation speaks for itself.Nevertheless I am glad the resources I provided are of use. If the Catholic language is difficult, the Diocese of Raleigh in which you reside has people who can explain it to you. They also have accredited Canon lawyers on staff - Canon Law occasionally uses some archaic terms with its own context based in another era. Excellent folk in Raleigh, NC; quite helpful.
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Being helpful is not disrespectful. Expressing contentment that the resources are helpful as well as and offering more is not disrespectful by any stretch. Nevertheless your reactions are your own and only you have responsibility for them.Josh wrote: ↑Sun Mar 10, 2024 9:02 amI started reading MD in 2013 or early 2014 and don’t recall Bootstrap saying this. To the contrary, I do recall him citing these resources.
Max, I think your tone towards Boot is demeaning and disrespectful. In fact, Boot is well qualified particularly in the area of New Testament language and study. As I’m sure you know, he and I disagree on a great many things but I have a lot of respect for his experience and expertise on this area. He is a public figure whose reputation speaks for itself.Nevertheless I am glad the resources I provided are of use. If the Catholic language is difficult, the Diocese of Raleigh in which you reside has people who can explain it to you. They also have accredited Canon lawyers on staff - Canon Law occasionally uses some archaic terms with its own context based in another era. Excellent folk in Raleigh, NC; quite helpful.
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Mt 24:35
Proverbs 18:2 A fool does not delight in understanding but only in revealing his own mind.
1 Corinthians 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is folly with God
Mt 24:35
Proverbs 18:2 A fool does not delight in understanding but only in revealing his own mind.
1 Corinthians 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is folly with God