Illegal alien arrivals now greater than American births?

[Bootstrap]

Here's what happens: the left has embraced the idea that the entire right wing are loathesome people and that it's OK to call them Nazis. It's something that should be beneath you, Boot, yet you keep doing it in this thread. This thread has no Nazi ideology at all.

No, I have not done that once about anyone in this thread.

However, I am plainly saying that white supremacists and Nazis are using the very phrases you are promoting in this thread, and that we, as Christians, should be aware of that.

I do think that the following phrases are loathesome when applied to people:

- Vermin
- Infestation

If calling your brother "Raca" is out of line for Christians, this is too. And I think the following refers to beliefs being spread by white supremacists:

- Great Replacement Theory

If you try to rehabilitate and mainstream that, promoting it to others, I will explain why I think that's a really, really bad idea. But I won't call you a Nazi, and I never have.

There are now people who are mainstreaming all of this in modern American politics. Nazi flags also show up in places we never used to see them. Great Replacement Theory is in the manifestos of a bunch of mass shootings these days. This is bad stuff that Christians should stay away from.

[mike]

I already said I was sorry for saying "infested", because it bothered people here.

Thanks - I had missed that. (Where did you do that?)

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I too missed you saying you were sorry. I see now that is because you didn't actually apologize.

[Ernie]

Chicago is asking for a list of the people coming, their final destination, and designating a particular place for drop off. Rogue buses are being fined and impounded.

In other words, Chicago is trying to have a border and implement border and migration controls.

It is rather obvious what happens next: the buses simply stop outside city limits at an L station and hand each passenger a Ventra card and instructions on how to get into the city. (Note that this is already happening.) States and cities have zero authority to limit the voluntary movement of people (illegal aliens, citizens, and otherwise).

Chicago is not currently limiting the number of migrants to Chicago. They are trying to have the process done in an orderly manner and during hours when they have the staff to welcome the immigrants.
Besides there are dozens of other cities and counties that welcome migrants. If Texas has too many migrants to send Chicago in a given day, they can send migrants to these https://cis.org/Map-Sanctuary-Cities-Co ... and-States .

But Texas goal is not to make it nice for the migrants or the people caring for them. Their goal is to create chaos for these cities that will put pressure on the White House to slow down the flow of migrants into the US. If Texas sent migrants to the 200+ cities on the above list, there would not be as much chaos, and then there would be less pressure on the White House to do something.

By some people voting against spending more for border patrol, they can keep the chaos ensuing. It's all about politics as usual.

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[Ernie]

It’s happening all over the world, but here in America there has been a strong, concerted push to replace the Americans who are born and raised here with migrants. Now, illegals aliens entering the country have exceeded American births.

Do you feel the same way about the people who came to America in the 17-19th centuries, whose immigration numbers exceeded the number of births of those who were born and raised here (the first nation's people)? The first nations folks talked the same way about many your ancestors moving here. Was it fine for them to feel that way about your ancestors?

And how is it a "replacement" instead of simply adding more people. Are the people who were born and raised here being systematically killed by asylum seekers? Are they forcing the people born and raised here to leave the country?

[ken_sylvania]

Do you feel the same way about the people who came to America in the 17-19th centuries, whose immigration numbers exceeded the number of births of those who were born and raised here (the first nation's people)? The first nations folks talked the same way about many your ancestors moving here. Was it fine for them to feel that way about your ancestors?

How did that work out for the First Nations?

[Josh]

Actually, the one graph you posted is labeled "Trump" and "Biden". You found it on Twitter, from a person whose main aims seem to be very much political. Perhaps you could use a graph that is not about Trump if you don't want to discuss that?

I have no idea who posted the picture to Twitter; the image and link was sent to me by someone else (someone that I know). I checked the data in the graph (which was fairly easy to do) and it all seemed accurate. Hence why I shared it.

When I see "Great Replacement", I think, "Great Replacement Theory". When I see "Trump vs. Biden", I see "Trump vs. Biden'. If these are not the things you want to discuss, perhaps you should post something different?

The chart showed, to me, a replacement of births with illegal alien encounters. I think that's worth discussing, and it's an important current event.

I know you aren't the person who made these things up. If you want to disavow these sources, please do. But after doing so, please stop relying on them or insisting that they are something different than what they plainly are.

The sources are the CDC and the CBP for the numbers on that chart. And I guess the NYT for the dates of Biden and Trump being in office.

Do you object to the chart itself? Is something in it inaccurate?

[Josh]

No, I have not done that once about anyone in this thread.

However, I am plainly saying that white supremacists and Nazis are using the very phrases you are promoting in this thread, and that we, as Christians, should be aware of that.

I don't keep up on what white supremacist and Nazis are doing. I don't really pay attention to them, they seem to be a very "fringe" group and I frankly don't want to spend much time reading about them or learning about them. I learned enough about World War II in history in college and school. As far as I know, in World War II they didn't care about migrants - they were busy invading other countries and taking them over. Kind of the opposite, actually.

[quote[I do think that the following phrases are loathesome when applied to people:

- Vermin
- Infestation[/quote]

I never used "vermin" and I agreed "infestation" isn't a good term to use, so now I use "flooded" instead.

If calling your brother "Raca" is out of line for Christians, this is too. And I think the following refers to beliefs being spread by white supremacists:

- Great Replacement Theory

As I said, I see a replacement happening of American births with a high number of illegal alien encounters (which is what the chart showed). I think that shows a great, as in a big, replacement to me, and does to many other people. I don't really pay attention to conspiracy theories and am not interested in promoting them or discussing them (well, I do enjoy talking with flat earth people from time to time... one told me that airplane windows have little tv screens in them to make the earth look curved to me).

There are now people who are mainstreaming all of this in modern American politics. Nazi flags also show up in places we never used to see them. Great Replacement Theory is in the manifestos of a bunch of mass shootings these days. This is bad stuff that Christians should stay away from.

I haven't seen "mainstreaming" of any of the stuff you're talking about. If I had, maybe I would even know what this Great Replacement Theory is, which I don't. I just see regular mainstream Republican politicians talking about the fact immigration seems excessive. And I see Democratic politicians saying it's too much, too, like Eric Adams. Or Chicago's mayor, who doesn't want buses full of migrants to keep ariving. This isn't even that politically divisive.

If you want to talk about shooting manifestos... how about the shooting manifesto of the Nashville shooter? That expressed a desire to target "white people" along with various slurs about them and a desire to shoot them. Is that relevant to this conversation?

[Ernie]

2- As long as it is done legally, I don't care.
3- My family migrated, too.

Did your ancestors migrate to the US legally? If so, according to who?

[Ernie]

Do you feel the same way about the people who came to America in the 17-19th centuries, whose immigration numbers exceeded the number of births of those who were born and raised here (the first nation's people)? The first nations folks talked the same way about many your ancestors moving here. Was it fine for them to feel that way about your ancestors?

How did that work out for the First Nations?

Not well at all. They didn't really have any choice. They were forced to migrate, losing thousands of lives.
They could not deport the Europeans, as they didn't have anyway to send them back to their home country, and they couldn't fight them off (because they were outnumbered), so they reluctantly moved on to reservations provided by the Europeans.

In our country today it is the opposite. Migrants can be deported. And land-owners can keep their land.

However, the reason our government does not deport more people is because Congress won't authorize the funding to make it happen.
For the record, I'm only in favor of the government deporting those who are criminals, and those who can make a livelihood where they come from and are not in danger of their lives. And since I am not a part of the government, I will not try to help deport anyone.

[barnhart]

Do you feel the same way about the people who came to America in the 17-19th centuries, whose immigration numbers exceeded the number of births of those who were born and raised here (the first nation's people)? The first nations folks talked the same way about many your ancestors moving here. Was it fine for them to feel that way about your ancestors?

How did that work out for the First Nations?

I think Ernie's argument is not based on what works or how to achieve the outcome you wish, but rather what is right and just (turn about it fair play... Do to others as you would have done to you...).