Illegal alien arrivals now greater than American births?

[Judas Maccabeus]

Then I don't understand why you are the exception and why you shouldn't go back to Australia. It doesn't matter that your family came here legally -- you're still a foreign element that has taken up resources, because everyone who lives somewhere takes up resources. It doesn't matter if you can buy yourself in, you're still replacing someone who was born here. All you're doing is drawing a line that includes you and excludes others.

Actually, it is quite different. It is a bedrock principle of the American Republic called “Rule of Law.” This republic can function because of the respect the population has for the law, that applies equally to all. Josh’s family appears to have respected that. These illegal migrants have not. One has respect for our founding principles as a nation, the other does not. Those who violate our laws should suffer the consequences, that is being deported, denied the benefits of residency here, and be rounded up and returned to their home countries. Those who respect our laws and system of government are welcome to stay, with our blessings and encouragement.

No country can expend its resources on an unlimited basis to anyone who sneaks in the door. It is not economically or socially feasible.

[Grace]

Actually, it is quite different. It is a bedrock principle of the American Republic called “Rule of Law.” This republic can function because of the respect the population has for the law, that applies equally to all. Josh’s family appears to have respected that. These illegal migrants have not. One has respect for our founding principles as a nation, the other does not. Those who violate our laws should suffer the consequences, that is being deported, denied the benefits of residency here, and be rounded up and returned to their home countries. Those who respect our laws and system of government are welcome to stay, with our blessings and encouragement.

No country can expend its resources on an unlimited basis to anyone who sneaks in the door. It is not economically or socially feasible.

Well said and the best post on the thread. IMO.

[Ken]

Then I don't understand why you are the exception and why you shouldn't go back to Australia. It doesn't matter that your family came here legally -- you're still a foreign element that has taken up resources, because everyone who lives somewhere takes up resources. It doesn't matter if you can buy yourself in, you're still replacing someone who was born here. All you're doing is drawing a line that includes you and excludes others.

Actually, it is quite different. It is a bedrock principle of the American Republic called “Rule of Law.” This republic can function because of the respect the population has for the law, that applies equally to all. Josh’s family appears to have respected that. These illegal migrants have not. One has respect for our founding principles as a nation, the other does not. Those who violate our laws should suffer the consequences, that is being deported, denied the benefits of residency here, and be rounded up and returned to their home countries. Those who respect our laws and system of government are welcome to stay, with our blessings and encouragement.

No country can expend its resources on an unlimited basis to anyone who sneaks in the door. It is not economically or socially feasible.

The vast numbers of refugees flooding our cities at present are here legally. They are not ‘illegal migrants” and have broken no laws.

And every single one of the people listed on Josh’s original graph who actually stayed here is here legally.

To the extent that there are illegal immigrants here in the US, they are not on any data set shown in this thread.

[Judas Maccabeus]

Then I don't understand why you are the exception and why you shouldn't go back to Australia. It doesn't matter that your family came here legally -- you're still a foreign element that has taken up resources, because everyone who lives somewhere takes up resources. It doesn't matter if you can buy yourself in, you're still replacing someone who was born here. All you're doing is drawing a line that includes you and excludes others.

Actually, it is quite different. It is a bedrock principle of the American Republic called “Rule of Law.” This republic can function because of the respect the population has for the law, that applies equally to all. Josh’s family appears to have respected that. These illegal migrants have not. One has respect for our founding principles as a nation, the other does not. Those who violate our laws should suffer the consequences, that is being deported, denied the benefits of residency here, and be rounded up and returned to their home countries. Those who respect our laws and system of government are welcome to stay, with our blessings and encouragement.

No country can expend its resources on an unlimited basis to anyone who sneaks in the door. It is not economically or socially feasible.

The vast numbers of refugees flooding our cities at present are here legally. They are not ‘illegal migrants” and have broken no laws.

And every single one of the people listed on Josh’s original graph who actually stayed here is here legally.

To the extent that there are illegal immigrants here in the US, they are not on any data set shown in this thread.

Every one of them that makes an asylum claim based on economic hardship HAS broken the law. The basis for such claim is political or religious persecution . Making a false claim, or committing perjury is a violation of the law. They have no legal basis to remain in the United States, and the only reason they are here is the inability of our government to provide the infrastructure to adjudicate their claims, which will be overwhelmingly rejected. Until such time, there should be no recourse to government benefits. It is ill conceived local policy "right to shelter" that gives them the illusion that they are welcome to remain. No work permits, no "free" shelter, no "free" healthcare. Providing any of these services is a misguided policy. The only service that should be provided to economic migrants is a flight home. The latest caravan carries a banner "exodus from poverty." It should be made clear that entering the United States on what Is a false asylum claim is an exodus INTO poverty.

If you subsidize something, you will get more of it. Well, due to the current policy we are getting more of it, a clearly unsustainable amount.

[Ken]

Every one of them that makes an asylum claim based on economic hardship HAS broken the law. The basis for such claim is political or religious persecution . Making a false claim, or committing perjury is a violation of the law.

Not true. The asylum laws are MUCH broader than that. Take a look from the actual source: https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refu ... lum/asylum

You may file for asylum if you are in the US and have suffered persecution or fear that you will suffer persecution due to:

Race
Religion
Nationality
Membership in a particular social group
Political opinion

If they submit a falseified form I-589 (asylum application) then they would be subject to removal. But the law is actually vague as to what constitutes “fear of persecution”. And it is not limited to just religion and political beliefs.

In addition, both can be true. One can fearful of persecution AND be suffering economic hardship. They are not mutually exclusive.

In any event, your complaint is with our do-nothing Congress which has the power to tighten up asylum law AND ramp up funding for immigration courts to accelerate processing of asylum claims and removals. But it seems they would rather obsess about Hunter Biden’s tax returns than do their actual job. Put the blame were it actually belongs. With Congress and no one else.

[Bootstrap]

What is the connection between the emergence of white supremacist language used to characterize immigration and President Trump bragging that his use of Nazi phrases makes him more popular.

I think it's a lot like a playground bully. Have you ever seen a bully mocking and picking a fight with someone, calling him stupid, and kids standing around and laughing with the bully? There's a perverse sense of belonging and togetherness in that mocking - at the victim's expense. Even when the kid is getting beaten on. Sometimes mocking the victim's suffering itself.

Trump is doing the same thing. He constantly needs a victim to pick on so that he can win another news cycle. People want to be part of that. The playground bully gets a whole lot of publicity that way.

I never expected to see these Nazi phrases mainstreamed in American politics. A whole lot of frogs have boiled.

[Judas Maccabeus]

Every one of them that makes an asylum claim based on economic hardship HAS broken the law. The basis for such claim is political or religious persecution . Making a false claim, or committing perjury is a violation of the law.

Not true. The asylum laws are MUCH broader than that. Take a look from the actual source: https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refu ... lum/asylum

You may file for asylum if you are in the US and have suffered persecution or fear that you will suffer persecution due to:

Race
Religion
Nationality
Membership in a particular social group
Political opinion

If they submit a falseified form I-589 (asylum application) then they would be subject to removal. But the law is actually vague as to what constitutes “fear of persecution”. And it is not limited to just religion and political beliefs.

In addition, both can be true. One can fearful of persecution AND be suffering economic hardship. They are not mutually exclusive.

In any event, your complaint is with our do-nothing Congress which has the power to tighten up asylum law AND ramp up funding for immigration courts to accelerate processing of asylum claims and removals. But it seems they would rather obsess about Hunter Biden’s tax returns than do their actual job. Put the blame were it actually belongs. With Congress and no one else.

Exploiting an apparent loophole, likely with counseling from an “NGO.” The regulation clearly did not anticipate this.
There cannot suddenly be 350,000 persecuted people popping up in one month, carrying signs proclaiming themselves economic migrants, and being admitted . They will need be deported, or every large US city will be destroyed, the money is not here. There is talk of the city here buying a hotel, where is that money going to come from? The cops are 500+ officers short, trash is not being picked up consistently due to broken equipment, and the tax rate is more than double the surrounding county’s. Abandoned homes abound, 10,000 + if you believe the city’s numbers. Mostly abandoned due to the tax rate making it uneconomical to keep property, walking away makes more sense in many cases. I have seen 10,000$ property tax bills. This ain’t New York.

So, what is going to be left if these migrants keep coming? I agree congress is at fault, but the Biden administration better do something, and fast.

[Ken]

Every one of them that makes an asylum claim based on economic hardship HAS broken the law. The basis for such claim is political or religious persecution . Making a false claim, or committing perjury is a violation of the law.

Not true. The asylum laws are MUCH broader than that. Take a look from the actual source: https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refu ... lum/asylum

You may file for asylum if you are in the US and have suffered persecution or fear that you will suffer persecution due to:

Race
Religion
Nationality
Membership in a particular social group
Political opinion

If they submit a falseified form I-589 (asylum application) then they would be subject to removal. But the law is actually vague as to what constitutes “fear of persecution”. And it is not limited to just religion and political beliefs.

In addition, both can be true. One can fearful of persecution AND be suffering economic hardship. They are not mutually exclusive.

In any event, your complaint is with our do-nothing Congress which has the power to tighten up asylum law AND ramp up funding for immigration courts to accelerate processing of asylum claims and removals. But it seems they would rather obsess about Hunter Biden’s tax returns than do their actual job. Put the blame were it actually belongs. With Congress and no one else.

Exploiting an apparent loophole, likely with counseling from an “NGO.” The regulation clearly did not anticipate this.
There cannot suddenly be 350,000 persecuted people popping up in one month, carrying signs proclaiming themselves economic migrants, and being admitted . They will need be deported, or every large US city will be destroyed, the money is not here. There is talk of the city here buying a hotel, where is that money going to come from? The cops are 500+ officers short, trash is not being picked up consistently due to broken equipment, and the tax rate is more than double the surrounding county’s. Abandoned homes abound, 10,000 + if you believe the city’s numbers. Mostly abandoned due to the tax rate making it uneconomical to keep property, walking away makes more sense in many cases. I have seen 10,000$ property tax bills. This ain’t New York.

So, what is going to be left if these migrants keep coming? I agree congress is at fault, but the Biden administration better do something, and fast.

The president is not a dictator.

He cannot re-write laws
He cannot violate existing laws
He cannot spend money that Congress has not appropriated.

What is it that "something" that you expect the Biden Administration to "do"

And note. Every single thing Trump claims he will do on day 1 on the topic of immigration is illegal. Some of it might be legal if Congress acted and provided him with new authorities and new funding. Some of it might be unconstitutional regardless of what Congress does. But absent that, there isn't much different he can do from the Biden Administration. The one thing Trump did in 2020 was immigration crack downs based on Title 42 (public health emergency) but that option is no longer available to him unless he declares there is some new pandemic related public health emergency that entitles him to bypass Congress. And manages to make it withstand scrutiny in the courts. That was the thing that had conservatives screaming back in 2020 and 2021. All the emergency executive actions without the input and action by legislatures.

Now of course Trump CAN issue a bunch of illegal executive orders and start implementing policies that are not legal such as his family separation policies that were shot down by the courts. But none of his proposals would actually stick long term without action by Congress. Unless the courts decide to rubber stamp Trump's actions anyway in which case we will no longer be living in a representative democracy with separation of powers. We will be in a quasi-dictatorship.

So without Congress, every single thing Trump and all the other GOP candidates say is nothing but hot air.

[Judas Maccabeus]

Not true. The asylum laws are MUCH broader than that. Take a look from the actual source: https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refu ... lum/asylum



If they submit a falseified form I-589 (asylum application) then they would be subject to removal. But the law is actually vague as to what constitutes “fear of persecution”. And it is not limited to just religion and political beliefs.

In addition, both can be true. One can fearful of persecution AND be suffering economic hardship. They are not mutually exclusive.

In any event, your complaint is with our do-nothing Congress which has the power to tighten up asylum law AND ramp up funding for immigration courts to accelerate processing of asylum claims and removals. But it seems they would rather obsess about Hunter Biden’s tax returns than do their actual job. Put the blame were it actually belongs. With Congress and no one else.

Exploiting an apparent loophole, likely with counseling from an “NGO.” The regulation clearly did not anticipate this.
There cannot suddenly be 350,000 persecuted people popping up in one month, carrying signs proclaiming themselves economic migrants, and being admitted . They will need be deported, or every large US city will be destroyed, the money is not here. There is talk of the city here buying a hotel, where is that money going to come from? The cops are 500+ officers short, trash is not being picked up consistently due to broken equipment, and the tax rate is more than double the surrounding county’s. Abandoned homes abound, 10,000 + if you believe the city’s numbers. Mostly abandoned due to the tax rate making it uneconomical to keep property, walking away makes more sense in many cases. I have seen 10,000$ property tax bills. This ain’t New York.

So, what is going to be left if these migrants keep coming? I agree congress is at fault, but the Biden administration better do something, and fast.

The president is not a dictator.

He cannot re-write laws
He cannot violate existing laws
He cannot spend money that Congress has not appropriated.

What is it that "something" that you expect the Biden Administration to "do"

And note. Every single thing Trump claims he will do on day 1 on the topic of immigration is illegal. Some of it might be legal if Congress acted and provided him with new authorities and new funding. Some of it might be unconstitutional regardless of what Congress does. But absent that, there isn't much different he can do from the Biden Administration. The one thing Trump did in 2020 was immigration crack downs based on Title 42 (public health emergency) but that option is no longer available to him unless he declares there is some new pandemic related public health emergency that entitles him to bypass Congress. And manages to make it withstand scrutiny in the courts. That was the thing that had conservatives screaming back in 2020 and 2021. All the emergency executive actions without the input and action by legislatures.

Now of course Trump CAN issue a bunch of illegal executive orders and start implementing policies that are not legal such as his family separation policies that were shot down by the courts. But none of his proposals would actually stick long term without action by Congress. Unless the courts decide to rubber stamp Trump's actions anyway in which case we will no longer be living in a representative democracy with separation of powers. We will be in a quasi-dictatorship.

So without Congress, every single thing Trump and all the other GOP candidates say is nothing but hot air.

State of emergency. Close border to all but US and Mexican citizens. All are within his emergency powers. Round up and deport all other crossers. If a court disagrees, keep appealing till it hits the Supreme Court. That will give you at least a year.

If worse comes to worse, there is enough post 9-11 anti terror legislation to keep things bottled up for awhile. If you want asylum, apply in your own country, or the first safe country you reach. Unless you are Mexican, that would not be the US. Announce that ALL asylum claims will be rejected if you did not file it in the first safe country.

If you do not file in the first safe country, you are presumed to be an economic migrant, picking and choosing a wealthy country leads to the presumption that your motivation is economic. There is plenty that can be done.

If there is no serious action, get used to saying “president Trump.”

[barnhart]

Since this thread is about "replacement theory" maybe it is the place for a question I have for people tuned to this frequency. It seems this is often paired with a hope or expectation for the US to become "more Christian" and more conservative socially and theologically. If this is the goal, I imagine the fastest way of accomplishing this is to import central Americans who trend young, Christian and conservative. Why is this not embraced.