What are your thoughts re Hegelian Dialectic & CRT

Things that are not part of politics happening presently and how we approach or address it as Anabaptists.
Falco Knotwise

Re: What are your thoughts re Hegelian Dialectic & CRT in the Church?

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Ken wrote: Tue Nov 07, 2023 2:16 pm
Falco Knotwise wrote: Tue Nov 07, 2023 1:52 pmSo now it’s a communist plot to undermine America? Isn’t that just supposed to be a conspiracy theory by right wing nuts?

But it seems to me this stuff is being amplified by left wing professors inspired by wokism, and they don’t seem to be very critical of it, at all.
To cite just one source on this subject
"TikTok's algorithm is fueling misinformation against Israel and anti-Semitic discourse: The Chinese platform notably favors pro-Palestine publications":: https://voz.us/tiktoks-algorithm-is-fue ... e/?lang=en
Both things can be simultaneously true. There are plenty of lefty radical professors at both American and foreign universities who teach this sort of thing.

AND

Social media company algorithms also promote the same material on their sites.
Are you suggesting any media company that promotes this story must be in cahoots with Russia and/or China? I’m sure it’s on X. Is Elon Musk in cahoots with China, too?

Seriously, though: I’m glad to see you admitting there may be some room for criticism of these ideologies, Ken.
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Josh

Re: What are your thoughts re Hegelian Dialectic & CRT in the Church?

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Szdfan wrote: Tue Nov 07, 2023 1:06 pm
Ken wrote: Tue Nov 07, 2023 11:28 am
Josh wrote: Tue Nov 07, 2023 11:02 am I’d really like to know why there was such a concerted effort to keep the manifesto secret.
They do that with every mass shooting. It is to avoid copycats as happened with Columbine: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category: ... cat_crimes

Do you really want unhinged psychotic people taking cues from other unhinged psychotic people?
I haven't seen any news about this manifesto being made public anywhere else. Do we know for sure that this is real?
The Nashville metro pd basically confirmed it is as they’re investigating the “leak”. It appears to be both quite real and the content also quite disturbing.
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Josh wrote: Tue Nov 07, 2023 2:38 pm
Szdfan wrote: Tue Nov 07, 2023 1:06 pm
Ken wrote: Tue Nov 07, 2023 11:28 am

They do that with every mass shooting. It is to avoid copycats as happened with Columbine: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category: ... cat_crimes

Do you really want unhinged psychotic people taking cues from other unhinged psychotic people?
I haven't seen any news about this manifesto being made public anywhere else. Do we know for sure that this is real?
The Nashville metro pd basically confirmed it is as they’re investigating the “leak”. It appears to be both quite real and the content also quite disturbing.
Of course the ravings of a deranged serial killer are going to be "disturbing". They ALWAYS are.

What were you expecting? Henry David Thoreau or Maya Angelou?
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Maybe the writer Truman Capote?
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A good explanation of why TikTok is uniquely bad

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And an explanation of where campus radicalism is coming from vis a vis Palestine




Always follow the money...
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Falco Knotwise

Re: What are your thoughts re Hegelian Dialectic & CRT in the Church?

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Falco Knotwise wrote: Tue Nov 07, 2023 1:00 pm
Josh wrote: Tue Nov 07, 2023 11:02 am I’d really like to know why there was such a concerted effort to keep the manifesto secret.
I’d like to know whether teaching students about “white privilege” in universities is still considered just a harmless “lens” through which to examine social injustices?

Also, is on-campus antisemitic rhetoric in the name of “resisting colonialism” (by the left) really that different than Germany’s antisemitic rhetoric in the name of resisting communism?
Addendum: note they were both couched in terms of class warfare/revolutions. I tend to see communism and national socialism as the far left and far right of the Marxist (or perhaps the socialist) spectrum.

The association of that Marxist “right” with the “right” of American conservatism is an artificial construction created by early neomarxists, perhaps (unfortunately) aided by Hannah Arendt.

Class warfare has precious little to do with conservative ideology, and no necessary connection to an authoritarian personality or religious conservatism. Those have been found throughout history in many other forms of government. Such supposed emotional threads linking the two is mere guilt by association, imo. A VERY inaccurate analysis, imo, and closely connected to the sexual revolutions which have so far failed to lead to any utopias.
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Szdfan

Re: What are your thoughts re Hegelian Dialectic & CRT in the Church?

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Josh wrote: Tue Nov 07, 2023 2:38 pm
Szdfan wrote: Tue Nov 07, 2023 1:06 pm
Ken wrote: Tue Nov 07, 2023 11:28 am

They do that with every mass shooting. It is to avoid copycats as happened with Columbine: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category: ... cat_crimes

Do you really want unhinged psychotic people taking cues from other unhinged psychotic people?
I haven't seen any news about this manifesto being made public anywhere else. Do we know for sure that this is real?
The Nashville metro pd basically confirmed it is as they’re investigating the “leak”. It appears to be both quite real and the content also quite disturbing.
I've found news stories confirming the leak since I commented.
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Falco Knotwise

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Theodore Adorno, one of the pioneers of the neomarxist movement in America, literally wrote the book on “The Authoritarian Personality.”



This has become practically the liberal handbook on political psychology.
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Szdfan

Re: What are your thoughts re Hegelian Dialectic & CRT in the Church?

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Falco Knotwise wrote: Tue Nov 07, 2023 8:27 pm
Falco Knotwise wrote: Tue Nov 07, 2023 1:00 pm
Josh wrote: Tue Nov 07, 2023 11:02 am I’d really like to know why there was such a concerted effort to keep the manifesto secret.
I’d like to know whether teaching students about “white privilege” in universities is still considered just a harmless “lens” through which to examine social injustices?

Also, is on-campus antisemitic rhetoric in the name of “resisting colonialism” (by the left) really that different than Germany’s antisemitic rhetoric in the name of resisting communism?
Addendum: note they were both couched in terms of class warfare/revolutions. I tend to see communism and national socialism as the far left and far right of the Marxist (or perhaps the socialist) spectrum.

The association of that Marxist “right” with the “right” of American conservatism is an artificial construction created by early neomarxists, perhaps (unfortunately) aided by Hannah Arendt.

Class warfare has precious little to do with conservative ideology, and no necessary connection to an authoritarian personality or religious conservatism. Those have been found throughout history in many other forms of government. Such supposed emotional threads linking the two is mere guilt by association, imo. A VERY inaccurate analysis, imo, and closely connected to the sexual revolutions which have so far failed to lead to any utopias.
I don't think it's correct to say that Nazism was the "right" edge of Marxism. The Nazis rejected the Marxist concept of class warfare and argued for social harmony based on a shared identity of racial purity. One of the most dominant aspects of Nazism is its emphasis on "blood and soil," which I think is a conservative stream of thought.
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