Future of US elections

[temporal1]

Politico is a notoriously left wing biased source, but yes, the fact they choose to keep saying stuff like this is evidence of how partisan America is becoming.

It’s not possible to have free+fair elections when the public treasury is egregiously pilfered for partisan politics, as has been the ever-growing habit since the mid-1960’s.

The most readily recognized examples are government schools+libraries.
The level of partisan railroading via the public treasury is off the charts. It’s so normalized, many cannot discern it. The sense is of complete entitlement.

Ballots are a distant second. Political theater. Distraction.

Pray for divine intervention.

[Josh]

For an example of true statesmen, look no further than Nixon and JFK.

JFK was widely believed to win via vote fraud (but he was not personally involved). Nixon decided not to contest it for the good of the country and simply run again later

JFK was assassinated - after starting to take steps to dismantle the Deep State.

Nixon was railroaded out of office. However, even the Democrats had enough honour not to try to prosecute him and threaten him with prison. The country stayed much more united.

Carter decided not to focus on punishing his political opponents and instead tried to lead with his policy agenda. Instead of starting more wars, conflicts such as with Panama were diffused

Back to the modern era. Politics is now about punishing and humiliating one’s enemies. It is about the exercise of raw power. And America’s global leadership is gone: Russia is still pummelling Ukraine; the global western economy is currently defined by a new bank failure every week - SVB last week, Credit Suisse over the weekend, who knows this week? There are no “success stories” to look at in the aftermath of Afghanistan.

This is a failed state, a failed democracy, and we must accept the descent into becoming a country no better (and perhaps worse) than the Central American republics that were defined by coups, revolts, and riots for the last few decades. Perhaps within my lifetime, American refugees will be seeking asylum in Honduras or El Salvador.

[Bootstrap]

America is capable of conducting free and fair elections ... Some countries don't have that.

Your belief in American exceptionalism is noted.

I don't think that's particularly exceptional. Counting isn't that hard. Recounts aren't that hard.

But if the losers simply refuse to accept the results, and you can fire up the base, they stop caring about simple, verifiable truth.

[Bootstrap]

This is a failed state, a failed democracy, and we must accept the descent into becoming a country no better (and perhaps worse) than the Central American republics that were defined by coups, revolts, and riots for the last few decades. Perhaps within my lifetime, American refugees will be seeking asylum in Honduras or El Salvador.

No, it's not. We still know how to count votes. We still have recounts and courts. Dominion voting machines worked just fine. Trump was lying to us. Fox was lying to us. They both knew it at the time.

But if we have enough people who want to burn it all down, maybe that can become irrelevant. Maybe we can become the third world country you seem to want to believe we are. It can be a self-fulfilling prophecy. And that's the genius of Trump - who learned it from Putin. Truth only matters if we choose to believe it.

[temporal1]

Josh:
.. Nixon decided not to contest it for the good of the country ..

Key words.
From founding, the notion of PUBLIC SERVICE was the core motivator; frankly, with Jesus’ concept of the honor of servanthood, the idea of having an authentic servant’s heart. This was the central influence.

i was a young adult, Nixon’s resignation seemed normal+desireable, “what anyone in his shoes would do.”
no one anticipated this would mark the end of this type of personal accountability/honor.

Along came WJC. Secular law school replaced all previous influences; top-down erosion of morality.

boot:
No, it’s not ..

Just as many goods+services, clubs, even churches, maintain their physical buildings, outward trappings - while retaining BRAND NAMES, because labels sell, labels are comforting, but labels can be bought+sold, labels can lie.

Signs are, this is in process with the U.S.A. label. Same label, different country.
TRILLIONS are committed to getting it done. No small thing.

The country of THE END JUSTIFIES THE MEANS, is not the country founded on FOR THE GREATER GOOD we used to know.

[Franklin]

Ever since the 2020 elections and riot on January 6, I think the US is on a fast track to have election senarios similar to those of 2nd and 3rd world countries in the future.

I agree. Fair elections require a high quality population - valuing fairness over winning, intelligent enough to recognize cheating, and valuing simplicity so that elections are transparent. Modern Americans fail on all three.

[Josh]

This is a failed state, a failed democracy, and we must accept the descent into becoming a country no better (and perhaps worse) than the Central American republics that were defined by coups, revolts, and riots for the last few decades. Perhaps within my lifetime, American refugees will be seeking asylum in Honduras or El Salvador.

No, it's not. We still know how to count votes.[/quite]

No. We don’t. Ever since moving to complex electronic voting nobody really knows how any of this works.

If you criticise Dominion voting machines, they’ll sue for millions or a billion dollars.

We still have recounts and courts. Dominion voting machines worked just fine. Trump was lying to us. Fox was lying to us. They both knew it at the time.

Boot, you need to face the fact that highly complex “electronic” voting has been condemned by experts in the field of computer science and electoral freedom yet it’s been forced on the American public anyway. Why?

But if we have enough people who want to burn it all down, maybe that can become irrelevant. Maybe we can become the third world country you seem to want to believe we are. It can be a self-fulfilling prophecy. And that's the genius of Trump - who learned it from Putin. Truth only matters if we choose to believe it.

America already is a third world country. We have massive poverty, looting, homelessness, huge squatter camps in many major cities, right next to absurd accumulation of wealth by the very wealthiest who keep getting bailouts for their billion-dollar “banks”. We just had a gigantic multibillion bailout last week.

Do you believe in American exceptionalism? Or will you accept the reality that America is as godless, corrupt, and evil as the rest of the nations in the earth?

[temporal1]

Ever since the 2020 elections and riot on January 6, I think the US is on a fast track to have election senarios similar to those of 2nd and 3rd world countries in the future.

I agree. Fair elections require a high quality population - valuing fairness over winning, intelligent enough to recognize cheating, and valuing simplicity so that elections are transparent. Modern Americans fail on all three.

A population with majority good values, willing to be governed.

THE END JUSTIFIES THE MEANS is a secular lawschool premise solely based on winning in human courts of law.
It’s nothing new. Jesus was born into such a world. They killed Him.

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June 2020 / BLM Leader: We'll 'Burn' the System Down If U.S. Won't Give Us What We Want
https://www.newsweek.com/blm-leader-wel ... nt-1513422
^^they burned it for months .. many of their innocent victims are still paying the price.