GaryK wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 8:48 am
barnhart wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 7:46 am
GaryK wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 9:11 pm
So just to be clear, you are advocating for open borders?
Open borders is a political/legal policy. Suppose I advocate for believers (1)"if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well" and (2) everyone should follow Jesus, does it follow that I advocate the legal dissolution of private property rights.
I think the difference is that you are primarily focused on advocating for believers to take on Kingdom values, which I'm on board with, but JBG seems to be making the case that we advocate for earthly governments and earthly systems to adopt these Kingdom values and that in doing so, that will bring about the reign of Jesus' Kingdom on earth.
joshuabgood wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 9:00 pm
I am advocating for everyone everywhere, every business, economy, polity, and society, adopt the full Kingdom principles and yield to the rule and reign of Jesus. Every knee bow and every tongue confess. To the extent that that is done, salvation is brought to earth as also in heaven.
When that fully happens the geopolitical nation states, with their artificial borders, will be ended.
Yes and yes. I don't see a conflict between what I wrote/am thinking, and what Harlan captured in nice short way. Whatever position anybody or entity finds itself in, I advocate that they start implementing the Kingdom principles, that is having allegiance to Jesus, and that those actions will usher in more heaven on earth than what is currently in place. And pieces of those folks/entities will then start becoming under the rule and reign of Christ. (However, I am not endorsing nation-state (that kingdoms of this world) theories (violence and coercion) of social change (that is salvation)).
I think, should the centurion, or King Agrippa, begin to yield to King Jesus...they can stay in their positions "as long as they can" - meaning the sorting will occur when/as they refuse to kill their fellowman on the battlefield, or in the electric chair, or as they refuse to enforce geopolitical machinations (including border manipulation) for the cause of the nation state. We don't read though that Paul or Jesus or Peter, ever led with you need to "leave this position." Or, "you and your kingdom are ordained of God to be a terror to evil works so keep up the good work so do it righteously." Instead it just seemed understood, that as one comes under the Lordship of Jesus, an allegiance shift would be underway that would naturally sort itself out.
The truth is, folks that implement the Jesus Kingdom, will never last long in the Kingdoms of this World. Those kingdoms want nothing of it. They desire to use force to protect their way of life. They desire retribution. They desire America first. As a simple example, when Ron Paul, years ago noted that the "blowback" by the Al Qaida on 9-11 makes historical sense when you review American foreign policy in the 20th century, it buried his political chances. (There are many historical examples like this...Jimmy Carter, who in a myriad of ways reflected Jesus much more than did Ronald Reagan, is still mocked - even though the economic malaise he inherited had same as nothing to do with his decisions and was decades in the making thanks to Keynesian economics, loose monetary policy fiat currency, and decades of war by JFK, LBJ, and Nixon.)