Gender confusion

[Bootstrap]

The authors of the new testament speak about sin and degeneracy of their times in very explicit terms, especially as it creeps into and corrupts the church.

Definitely. With clarity, but not with the kind of hostility and the kind of language that some people use here.

This may be worth a Bible study.

[Ken]

And seriously, no one is offering puberty blockers to 3 year olds without their parent's knowledge. It would be easier to take your arguments more seriously if you didn't always include such hysterical nonsense. If you have to continually embellish your arguments with factually incorrect hysteria then they probably aren't very good arguments.

so to sum up your defense: the book doesn't say what it says.

The book is targeted to 3-12 year-olds, and provides a list of resources in case the children "don't have an adult they can trust". It's not hysteria. The agenda is allow children to transition without the intervention of their parents.

20 years ago, I'm sure you would've been telling the Christian right to stop including hysterical nonsense about homosexuals trying to get married too.

At least try to be accurate. It actually one volume in a running series of "Smart Girl" guides from American Girl that is now up to 19 different volumes. And they are targeted at middle school girls ages 10 and up. Look it up for yourself: https://www.americangirl.com/collection ... -year-olds Even really really smart 3-year old's aren't reading paragraph books written at a middle school level. They are getting "Goodnight Moon" and "Green Eggs and Ham" read to them.

According to Amazon this actual volume hasn't even been released yet and is only on "pre-order" so we don't actually know if the actual book when released will have the actual text that is quoted on Twitter or if that was just some pre-release draft or something else.

So just so I have this straight. We are talking about one page of factual information on transgender topics in a 96 page book that is part of a 19-book series targeted to middle school girls on topics like gossip, body image, sports, middle school, crushes, etc?

You guys seem to think that kids are nothing but virgin malleable clay whose identities will slide into unpredictable directions if they chance encounter a library book with LGBT themes or a page of LGBT information in some middle school guide on body image. And they are at risk of becoming LGBT if not fed a steady diet of hyper-feminine barbies and Disney princess and hyper-masculine GI-Joes and Transformers. I raised three kids and nothing is further from the truth. They know exactly who they are.

What is it that you actually want here? Some kind of government censorship board to ban books of which you disapprove? A boycott of American Girl? What do you see as actionable about this?

[Ken]

We disagree thusly:

you said:
And no I don't think it matters.

i said:
Circumstances matter in courts of law, and in God’s eyes.

So you are saying that it makes a difference to either the courts or God if a person attacks and beats someone up while drunk versus if they do it while sober?

I don't think that is actually correct in either case but I'm willing to be proven wrong.

[nett]

The authors of the new testament speak about sin and degeneracy of their times in very explicit terms, especially as it creeps into and corrupts the church.

Definitely. With clarity, but not with the kind of hostility and the kind of language that some people use here.

This may be worth a Bible study.

What are you really advocating for, and what language do you have such a problem with? I could post a whole wall of bible verses that are extremely hostile to sin and those who promote it, but I don't think that would really help.

For instance, If you were alive in 53 AD, would you object to Paul turning someone over to satan for the destruction of their flesh? I strongly suspect you would find that very hostile and unhelpful.

What about Acts 5:3? How would you feel as an observer watching Peter ask Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land?? I suspect you wouldn't like it, and you would feel even worse after he died in the next breath, seemingly with no chance of redemption.

But I would like to hear your case, when have you ever seen civility work? I have not seen any wins in the culture war from dealing with evil agendas civilly, you give an inch, they take a mile.

[nett]

I raised three kids and nothing is further from the truth. They know exactly who they are.

It is rich, that you from your hetero-normative, stereotypically white, perfect family ivory tower can lecture us all about how harmless transgender grooming is.

I'm not gonna lie, I really didn't think you would defend normalizing puberty blockers. You're way more out in left field on this than I thought you were.

[Ken]

I raised three kids and nothing is further from the truth. They know exactly who they are.

It is rich, that you from your hetero-normative, stereotypically white, perfect family ivory tower can lecture us all about how harmless transgender grooming is.

I'm not gonna lie, I really didn't think you would defend normalizing puberty blockers. You're way more out in left field on this than I thought you were.

If you actually paid attention to what kids these days are absorbing it is about 99.9% hypersexualized heterosexual messaging. On TV, in the toy aisle, online, in the mall, in advertising, literally everywhere. And maybe 0.1% is in the other direction. If even that. Which is illustrated by the fact that we are talking about 1 page out of perhaps 2000 pages of material in a 19-book American Girl series. For example, the biggest toy manufacturer is Mattel. Why don't you go to their web site. They have nearly 1,000 different dolls and doll sets listed. Take a look through them all and tell us the percentage that are LGBT or not gender-normative. Here you go have fun: https://shop.mattel.com/collections/dolls-dollhouses

Or go to the Disney Channel and tell us what percentage of the characters in their cartoons or live action shows are LGBT versus ordinary feminine/masculine or extreme versions of such like all the Disney Princess shows. I don't know if this link will work but here you go. Here is their kid series page: https://www.disneyplus.com/series/6bda2 ... e2c80aa6fe and here is their kid's movie page: https://www.disneyplus.com/movies/3314d ... 749e264dd0

Or go to the mall and peruse Aeropostale or H&M or any other popular clothing store for teens and tell us what kind of sexuality they are promoting. Trust me, the much bigger problem is steering your teen away from dresses like these https://www.aeropostale.com/floral-scoo ... 49142.html than getting groomed in the mall to be LGBT.

That is the the culture that our kids are actually swimming in.

We can have a conversation about the messaging that our kids are getting in the media, online, in advertising and so forth. And frankly it isn't good. And it is of great concern to a lot of parents. It is a tidal wave of sexualized imagery and content, much of it hypersexualized. But "transgender grooming" it is not. It is very much the opposite. The fact that you have to look so long and hard to even find snippets of material you can label as such pretty much proves the point.

[Soloist]

So far, loudly rejecting these narratives is working in plain communities quite well. Transgenderism is non-existent, which makes sense, because gender disorders in children resolve themselves by age 18 in something like 99% of cases unless there are very strong pro-transition influences in the child's life.

I haven’t heard loud rejections from anyone. The Nationwide church I have deep respect for is very compassionate with the lady joining who’s mother claims to be a man now. They have discussed how to counsel this individual if they ever are receptive to the truth. While most children do not conform to a perfect picture of society male/female many females dealing with puberty struggle with those thoughts especially in regard to body image and what media portrays about them. Males going into puberty also have society telling them all the evils of being a male, particularly if they are white. On top of this society is also applauding uniqueness and bucking trends resulting in them expressing loneliness and depression into gender expression. Self esteem issues are ever present as well.
If anything we should be compassionate to these young people and while those promoting this evil to occur perhaps deserve some condemnation… doing so will damage efforts to reach those who are struggling. Civil disagreement tends to speak louder then bold harsh words in terms of effective conversion of thought. Certainly there is time for strong words and several on here would have been expelled from any number of conservative churches for supporting and arguing for lgbtq issues. I think though it is wiser to not be expelled as well for our own tongue.

[Soloist]

We can have a conversation about the messaging that our kids are getting in the media, online, in advertising and so forth. And frankly it isn't good. And it is of great concern to a lot of parents. It is a tidal wave of sexualized imagery and content, much of it hypersexualized. But "transgender grooming" it is not. It is very much the opposite. The fact that you have to look so long and hard to even find snippets of material you can label as such pretty much proves the point.

Go have some real discussions with those who have detransitioned and ask them their motives to transition in the first place… you may be surprised.

[nett]

I haven’t heard loud rejections from anyone

Plain people tend not to be loud about anything but they are certain not having a discussion about how best to help children transition. It's not even permitted as a discussion. I would call that a pretty clear rejection.

Civil disagreement tends to speak louder then bold harsh words in terms of effective conversion of thought. Certainly there is time for strong words and several on here would have been expelled from any number of conservative churches for supporting and arguing for lgbtq issues. I think though it is wiser to not be expelled as well for our own tongue.

This is true, but when you're dealing with a honest and up front people. When you're dealing with a subversive evil people, their agenda, and the entirety of their influence, and participation has to be explicitly rejected. Heavy-handedness is better than erring on the side of compassion.

I've only seen Christian institutions fall to sin because of a failure to be hostile to evil influences, I have not seen the inverse in my lifetime.

[nett]

I raised three kids and nothing is further from the truth. They know exactly who they are.

It is rich, that you from your hetero-normative, stereotypically white, perfect family ivory tower can lecture us all about how harmless transgender grooming is.

I'm not gonna lie, I really didn't think you would defend normalizing puberty blockers. You're way more out in left field on this than I thought you were.

If you actually paid attention to what kids these days are absorbing it is about 99.9% hypersexualized heterosexual messaging. On TV, in the toy aisle, online, in the mall, in advertising, literally everywhere. And maybe 0.1% is in the other direction. If even that. Which is illustrated by the fact that we are talking about 1 page out of perhaps 2000 pages of material in a 19-book American Girl series. For example, the biggest toy manufacturer is Mattel. Why don't you go to their web site. They have nearly 1,000 different dolls and doll sets listed. Take a look through them all and tell us the percentage that are LGBT or not gender-normative. Here you go have fun: https://shop.mattel.com/collections/dolls-dollhouses

Or go to the Disney Channel and tell us what percentage of the characters in their cartoons or live action shows are LGBT versus ordinary feminine/masculine or extreme versions of such like all the Disney Princess shows. I don't know if this link will work but here you go. Here is their kid series page: https://www.disneyplus.com/series/6bda2 ... e2c80aa6fe and here is their kid's movie page: https://www.disneyplus.com/movies/3314d ... 749e264dd0

Or go to the mall and peruse Aeropostale or H&M or any other popular clothing store for teens and tell us what kind of sexuality they are promoting. Trust me, the much bigger problem is steering your teen away from dresses like these https://www.aeropostale.com/floral-scoo ... 49142.html than getting groomed in the mall to be LGBT.

That is the the culture that our kids are actually swimming in.

We can have a conversation about the messaging that our kids are getting in the media, online, in advertising and so forth. And frankly it isn't good. And it is of great concern to a lot of parents. It is a tidal wave of sexualized imagery and content, much of it hypersexualized. But "transgender grooming" it is not. It is very much the opposite. The fact that you have to look so long and hard to even find snippets of material you can label as such pretty much proves the point.

It's all part of the same agenda to twist sexuality. Except you're wrong about Disney. Disney has openly admitted a pretty radical push of LGBT characters in child and adult programming.

Do you know what the word subversive means?