Supreme Court and abortion

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Re: Supreme Court and abortion

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Josh wrote: Mon Apr 04, 2022 12:51 pm Ken, this nominee won’t define what a woman is. Do you think most Americans are on the side of the radical transsexual agenda?
The context of the question was a legal proceeding in which they were discussing constitutional law.

Can you tell us what the legal definition of a woman is in that context? Given that some people are born with XXY sex chromosomes. Some are born with XXXY chromosomes. Some are born with XX chromosomes but are phenotypically male. Some are born with XY chromosomes by phenotypically female. In fact there are over 20 different types of intersex genetic abnormalities in which individuals present secondary sexual characteristics inconsistent with their genetic gender, or present secondary sex characteristics of both genders.

What is the LEGAL definition of a woman in that context? You will not find a simple answer in biology because there is none.
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Ken wrote: Mon Apr 04, 2022 2:20 pm
Josh wrote: Mon Apr 04, 2022 12:51 pm Ken, this nominee won’t define what a woman is. Do you think most Americans are on the side of the radical transsexual agenda?
The context of the question was a legal proceeding in which they were discussing constitutional law.

Can you tell us what the legal definition of a woman is in that context? Given that some people are born with XXY sex chromosomes. Some are born with XXXY chromosomes. Some are born with XX chromosomes but are phenotypically male. Some are born with XY chromosomes by phenotypically female. In fact there are over 20 different types of intersex genetic abnormalities in which individuals present secondary sexual characteristics inconsistent with their genetic gender, or present secondary sex characteristics of both genders.

What is the LEGAL definition of a woman in that context? You will not find a simple answer in biology because there is none.
Out of the many things Biden has done wrong, he got one thing right. He isn't a biologist yet he correctly defined his Supreme Court nominee as a "WOMAN".
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Grace wrote: Mon Apr 04, 2022 2:44 pm
Ken wrote: Mon Apr 04, 2022 2:20 pm
Josh wrote: Mon Apr 04, 2022 12:51 pm Ken, this nominee won’t define what a woman is. Do you think most Americans are on the side of the radical transsexual agenda?
The context of the question was a legal proceeding in which they were discussing constitutional law.

Can you tell us what the legal definition of a woman is in that context? Given that some people are born with XXY sex chromosomes. Some are born with XXXY chromosomes. Some are born with XX chromosomes but are phenotypically male. Some are born with XY chromosomes by phenotypically female. In fact there are over 20 different types of intersex genetic abnormalities in which individuals present secondary sexual characteristics inconsistent with their genetic gender, or present secondary sex characteristics of both genders.

What is the LEGAL definition of a woman in that context? You will not find a simple answer in biology because there is none.
Out of the many things Biden has done wrong, he got one thing right. He isn't a biologist yet he correctly defined his Supreme Court nominee as a "WOMAN".
Can you give us a legal definition of "woman" under US law? Or even a comprehensive biological definition?
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Ken wrote: Mon Apr 04, 2022 2:54 pm
Grace wrote: Mon Apr 04, 2022 2:44 pm
Ken wrote: Mon Apr 04, 2022 2:20 pm

The context of the question was a legal proceeding in which they were discussing constitutional law.

Can you tell us what the legal definition of a woman is in that context? Given that some people are born with XXY sex chromosomes. Some are born with XXXY chromosomes. Some are born with XX chromosomes but are phenotypically male. Some are born with XY chromosomes by phenotypically female. In fact there are over 20 different types of intersex genetic abnormalities in which individuals present secondary sexual characteristics inconsistent with their genetic gender, or present secondary sex characteristics of both genders.

What is the LEGAL definition of a woman in that context? You will not find a simple answer in biology because there is none.
Out of the many things Biden has done wrong, he got one thing right. He isn't a biologist yet he correctly defined his Supreme Court nominee as a "WOMAN".
Can you give us a legal definition of "woman" under US law? Or even a comprehensive biological definition?

Doesn't have to be comprehensive.

Typically a female has two X chromosomes. There are some rare exceptions to that. Mental and emotional traits of females are, they are nurturers, usually sensitive, gentle, etc. Their physical characteristics are they have the physical abilities/organs, to carry unborn children, give birth, than feed them after birth. Most times they are weaker than men.

I don’t know why it has to be so complicated. When babies are born and when baby mammal animals are born, where is the first place one looks in order to see if they are male or female? And it doesn’t take a biologist to tell the difference between the males and females.


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Grace wrote: Mon Apr 04, 2022 3:27 pm
Ken wrote: Mon Apr 04, 2022 2:54 pm
Grace wrote: Mon Apr 04, 2022 2:44 pm

Out of the many things Biden has done wrong, he got one thing right. He isn't a biologist yet he correctly defined his Supreme Court nominee as a "WOMAN".
Can you give us a legal definition of "woman" under US law? Or even a comprehensive biological definition?

Doesn't have to be comprehensive.

Typically a female has two X chromosomes. There are some rare exceptions to that. Mental and emotional traits of females are, they are nurturers, usually sensitive, gentle, etc. Their physical characteristics are they have the physical abilities/organs, to carry unborn children, give birth, than feed them after birth. Most times they are weaker than men.

I don’t know why it has to be so complicated. When babies are born and when baby mammal animals are born, where is the first place one looks in order to see if they are male or female? And it doesn’t take a biologist to tell the difference between the males and females.
Actually it DOES have to be comprehensive if you are going to write it into law. Or if you are going treat the legal definition as binary. Which is what we are actually discussing here. If YOU can't come up with a comprehensive legal definition of "Male" and "Female" that accounts for all people living in this country, I'm not sure why you are criticizing Brown Jackson on that same point.
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Ken wrote: Mon Apr 04, 2022 3:40 pm
Grace wrote: Mon Apr 04, 2022 3:27 pm
Ken wrote: Mon Apr 04, 2022 2:54 pm

Can you give us a legal definition of "woman" under US law? Or even a comprehensive biological definition?

Doesn't have to be comprehensive.

Typically a female has two X chromosomes. There are some rare exceptions to that. Mental and emotional traits of females are, they are nurturers, usually sensitive, gentle, etc. Their physical characteristics are they have the physical abilities/organs, to carry unborn children, give birth, than feed them after birth. Most times they are weaker than men.

I don’t know why it has to be so complicated. When babies are born and when baby mammal animals are born, where is the first place one looks in order to see if they are male or female? And it doesn’t take a biologist to tell the difference between the males and females.
Actually it DOES have to be comprehensive if you are going to write it into law. Or if you are going treat the legal definition as binary. Which is what we are actually discussing here. If YOU can't come up with a comprehensive legal definition of "Male" and "Female" that accounts for all people living in this country, I'm not sure why you are criticizing Brown Jackson on that same point.
Perhaps because unlike Judge Brown, Grace doesn't aspire to be one of 9 Justices charged with interpreting both the Constitution and our Common Law; both of which have, heretofore, assumed as unnecessary, the need to subject to complicated perorations, the legal difference between a man and a woman.
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HondurasKeiser wrote: Mon Apr 04, 2022 3:53 pm

Perhaps because unlike Judge Brown, Grace doesn't aspire to be one of 9 Justices charged with interpreting both the Constitution and our Common Law; both of which have, heretofore, assumed as unnecessary, the need to subject to complicated perorations, the legal difference between a man and a woman.
LOL...trying to interpret that statement. If you are saying the question about the definition on a "woman" was kind of stupid. I agree.

Judge Jackson said she will stand for the rights of all women. I am still attempting to figure out how she will do that, since it takes a biologist (something she is not, at her own admission) to know what a "woman" is.
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Grace wrote: Mon Apr 04, 2022 2:44 pm Out of the many things Biden has done wrong, he got one thing right. He isn't a biologist yet he correctly defined his Supreme Court nominee as a "WOMAN".
He seems a bit confused about his Assistant Secretary for Health, though.
Grace wrote: Mon Apr 04, 2022 4:05 pm Judge Jackson said she will stand for the rights of all women. I am still attempting to figure out how she will do that, since it takes a biologist (something she is not, at her own admission) to know what a "woman" is.
It would have been better for her to commit to standing for the rights of all Americans (including, for the sake of the subject title, the unborn).
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Grace wrote: Mon Apr 04, 2022 4:05 pm
HondurasKeiser wrote: Mon Apr 04, 2022 3:53 pm

Perhaps because unlike Judge Brown, Grace doesn't aspire to be one of 9 Justices charged with interpreting both the Constitution and our Common Law; both of which have, heretofore, assumed as unnecessary, the need to subject to complicated perorations, the legal difference between a man and a woman.
LOL...trying to interpret that statement. If you are saying the question about the definition on a "woman" was kind of stupid. I agree.

Judge Jackson said she will stand for the rights of all women. I am still attempting to figure out how she will do that, since it takes a biologist (something she is not, at her own admission) to know what a "woman" is.
I was pushing back on Ken's "how dare you expect Judge Brown to give a legal definition of "woman", when you (Grace) cannot" argument. In this case, the legal definition of things, she's pretending to be eligible for the highest body that is supposed to understand exactly that. In other words, she's supposed to be an expert on such matters. The rest of us are supposed to be able to simply say that, like pornography, we know a woman when we see one.
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I found it interesting that judge Brown Jackson seemed to indicate that biology is the authority in gender.
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