Russia Invades Ukraine 2022

Things that are not part of politics happening presently and how we approach or address it as Anabaptists.
temporal1

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temporal1 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 08, 2022 10:11 am
mike wrote: ↑Mon Mar 07, 2022 10:29 am Russia's demands

nett wrote: ↑Mon Mar 07, 2022 11:12 am
Dan Z wrote: ↑Mon Mar 07, 2022 11:02 am That's hopeful...on Russia's part, the war would have been a personally and monitarily expensive way to get these concessions.
:arrow: How should Russia have tried to get these concessions?

nett’s question is valid.

i think, and hope, these “demands” will be an effective starting place to workable agreement.
if+when agreed, it will take time to build mutual respect+trust, but i hope that will be the goal of both sides.

it should have been from the 1990’s. .. .. ..

Any updates regarding the talks?

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.. should have purged right-wing extremists ..
along with left-wing extremists .. or, if they have none, don’t let them in under cover of chaos, one of their most favorite ways.
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mike

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Jazman

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Perspectives from UK evangelical, and UK historian/journalist and Ukrainian Orthodox priest/teacher...
All kinds of interesting points...
- role of church & state relationship
- Putin's 'religion'
- regions religious history...
Religious Roots of the War...
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mike

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"Certain positive shifts" in talks between Russia & Ukraine according to Putin. One can always hope.
Fox News wrote:1 hour(s) ago
Zelenskyy: Ukraine's military has reached a 'strategic turning point' in the war

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said Friday that his country's military has reached “a strategic turning point" in its fight against invading Russian forces.

“It’s impossible to say how many days we will still need to free our land, but it is possible to say that we will do it because... we have reached a strategic turning point," he said, without elaborating.

Zelenskyy spoke in a video showing him outside the presidential administration building in Kyiv. He also announced that authorities are working on 12 humanitarian corridors and trying to ensure needy people receive food, medicine and basic goods.

Zelenskyy's comments come as Russian President Vladimir Putin said Friday that there have been "certain positive shifts" in its talks with Ukraine.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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mike

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Hopefully the moderators will make a special wartime exception and allow me to link to a *NN article by Nic Robertson. I think it speaks to what it is like on the streets in Russia.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/11/europe/l ... index.html

A few interesting quotes.
Over the past couple of months while I've been reporting from Moscow, I've met many people who have been horrified, shocked and numbed by Putin's wanton aggression. Some of them believed him when he said he wouldn't invade Ukraine. Some even knew players in the Kremlin inner circle and thought they understood the President's red lines, but now that trust is blown and they fear he has no limits at all.

What makes Putin's actions all the more galling is how he executed his plot in plain sight. Distracting with one hand, transfixing attention on diplomacy, even while insisting falsely that his massed troops were carrying out exercises on Ukraine's borders.
In recent days Moscow's clogged arteries have pulsed to flashing blue lights of police vehicles of every size and shape, from lowly traffic cops to lumbering trucks loaded with recently arrested protesters, their strident sirens insisting other traffic yield to them as they blast their way through.

As more Ukrainian cities crumbled under Russian bombardment, at home riot-ready cops enforced Putin's Orwellian writ to crush any sympathy for their neighbors. Across Russia, more than 1,000 protesters a day were arrested during the first week of the war.
We watched as young and old alike, men and women were body-slammed, arms bent excruciatingly behind backs, faces slammed on floors, legs kicked apart by a well-trained, well-paid, menacing human machine. A branch of the state has been grown for this purpose, and it is now being wielded unflinchingly.
Putin has shaped the Russian state entirely in his image, a move that will not be easily righted. The majority are cowed, the complicit in too deep to reverse their actions, his sanctioned cronies warned to swallow their anger and take the losses for the team like true patriots.

On side streets away from the riot police, anti-war protesters choked back their feelings as they told us their agonies, of "loving Russia," "hating Putin" and torn about wanting to be "anywhere" but here.
Part of the pain of seeing all this is knowing that so much of Russia's vast wealth of intellect and resources lies untapped. Meanwhile, one man and his cronies is destroying the country.
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temporal1

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mike wrote: ↑Fri Mar 11, 2022 9:50 am "Certain positive shifts" in talks between Russia & Ukraine according to Putin. One can always hope.
Fox News wrote:1 hour(s) ago
Zelenskyy: Ukraine's military has reached a 'strategic turning point' in the war

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said Friday that his country's military has reached “a strategic turning point" in its fight against invading Russian forces.

“It’s impossible to say how many days we will still need to free our land, but it is possible to say that we will do it because... we have reached a strategic turning point," he said, without elaborating.

Zelenskyy spoke in a video showing him outside the presidential administration building in Kyiv. He also announced that authorities are working on 12 humanitarian corridors and trying to ensure needy people receive food, medicine and basic goods.

Zelenskyy's comments come as Russian President Vladimir Putin said Friday that there have been "certain positive shifts" in its talks with Ukraine.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

Prayers for resolution.
It won’t be easy, it can’t come quickly enough. Important details will be kept private. Pray for leaders, decision-makers.

“The press” had no interest in Trudeau revoking the Emergencies Act. Peace is not a goal of the press.
i’m convinced it was not easy for Trudeau to revoke his order. It never is.

Thanks for these crucial updates.
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temporal1

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mike wrote: ↑Fri Mar 11, 2022 9:50 am "Certain positive shifts" in talks between Russia & Ukraine according to Putin. One can always hope.
Fox News wrote:1 hour(s) ago
Zelenskyy: Ukraine's military has reached a 'strategic turning point' in the war

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said Friday that his country's military has reached “a strategic turning point" in its fight against invading Russian forces.

“It’s impossible to say how many days we will still need to free our land, but it is possible to say that we will do it because... we have reached a strategic turning point," he said, without elaborating.

Zelenskyy spoke in a video showing him outside the presidential administration building in Kyiv. He also announced that authorities are working on 12 humanitarian corridors and trying to ensure needy people receive food, medicine and basic goods.

Zelenskyy's comments come as Russian President Vladimir Putin said Friday that there have been "certain positive shifts" in its talks with Ukraine.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

mike,
your link goes to quite militant/west/pro war text, i couldn’t find the quoted words above. ???
it could be my error??
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mike

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temporal1 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 11, 2022 11:10 ammike,
your link goes to quite militant/west/pro war text, i couldn’t find the quoted words above. ???
it could be my error??
It's a page with live updates, so you have to scroll down a ways to see this post now. But I checked and it's still there.
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temporal1

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mike wrote: ↑Fri Mar 11, 2022 11:25 am
temporal1 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 11, 2022 11:10 ammike,
your link goes to quite militant/west/pro war text, i couldn’t find the quoted words above. ???
it could be my error??
It's a page with live updates, so you have to scroll down a ways to see this post now. But I checked and it's still there.
Thank you. i found it. posted “3 hours ago.”

It’s reprehensible that media is drowning-out any hope of resolution, esp featuring biden’s name as “#1 tough guy” in this.
the expectation has to be, if resolution happens, biden’s name will be cheered-on as if he were saviour of the world.

it’s all so ugly.
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Josh

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mike wrote: ↑Fri Mar 11, 2022 10:02 am Hopefully the moderators will make a special wartime exception and allow me to link to a *NN article by Nic Robertson. I think it speaks to what it is like on the streets in Russia.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/11/europe/l ... index.html

A few interesting quotes.
Is there a particular reason to think the CNN's biased, low quality, fake news doesn't apply to this situation as well?
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