Importance of a High School Diploma/GED

[Josh]

I don't recall ever denigrating what you do for a living Josh.

And yes, you are naïve if you don't think employers ever check credentials. Or won't fire people after the fact if they discover that they lied on their employment applications.

I can confirm that the institution that issued my diploma has never had anyone verify its authenticity - other than 1 of the 2 colleges I applied to attend. No employers ever did. I think employers just don't care about high school diplomas. They probably see them as having basically no value.

I will repeat what I said earlier: in make-work government jobs, there is a huge amount of bureaucracy. They will check and ask for verifications of every unnecessary piece of paperwork. Interestingly, when I applied for a (contractor) DoD job, they wanted mountains of paperwork to verify every job I ever had right down to a summer internship when I was 14, but they never did verify my high school diploma.

Credentials do matter Josh, for a vast array of jobs, most of which aren't government jobs. We were talking about falsely claiming to have a college degree.

Why don't you do a little experiment. Try lying about your credentials while applying for an RN position with any hospital and see if they check your credentials. Or if you manage to get hired, see how long you keep your nursing job once your fake degree and lack of credentials is discovered. Not only will you get fired, you are likely to be prosecuted for fraud. Try applying for a job with Boeing as an aerospace engineer with fraudulent credentials and see if you are discovered. Or if anyone wants you designing airplanes. Or for that matter, try lying about having a commercial driver's license and apply to any trucking company and see if they check, or how long you will keep your trucking job if your lie is discovered. None of those are government jobs.

A HS degree may or may not be important depending on the job in question and/or the community. But lying about having one is a very bad idea and actually constitutes fraud.

This thread is about high school diplomas. I’ll repeat myself, nobody has ever asked for my diploma or even asked details about my level of education. I do not propose lying (I think lying is a serious spiritual problem; I don’t think there are much in the way of earthly consequences for it. I think spiritual consequences are very important, much more than earthly concerns.)

I’m just saying that an HS diploma is unimportant. If you apply for an RN job, they don’t ask for your diploma, they want to know if your state board certificate is up to date.

[Josh]

I didn't know you used to work with Josh..

That's kinda funny and not funny, both at the same time. There appears to be a tendency for every male transplant/seeker to be held with suspicion of being undercover.

Yea, and that's not the way it ought to be.

Obviously the FBI would send in female agents to go undercover, then.

[temporal1]

Josh:
This thread is about high school diplomas.
I’ll repeat myself, nobody has ever asked for my diploma or even asked details about my level of education.
I do not propose lying (I think lying is a serious spiritual problem; I don’t think there are much in the way of earthly consequences for it. I think spiritual consequences are very important, much more than earthly concerns.)

I’m just saying that an HS diploma is unimportant.
If you apply for an RN job, they don’t ask for your diploma, they want to know if your state board certificate is up to date.

When i started this can ‘o worms, i was merely referring to my personal context, not suggesting records are “NEVER” checked.
In my context, the jobs were low-level enough, it’s likely no checks were done. They might be done intermittently, a person has to be willing to LIE and take risks - many have no problem with it.

Yes. i even questioned my own reluctance not to lie, “who would it hurt?” But. No. i have not done that.
Sometimes it’s painful, believing my life experience may eclipse many diploma-holders, but .. no, i have not crossed that line.

i believe former H.S. diplomas represented more than they do today.
One double-degree surgeon with 3 college-age sons once told me that today it takes about 2 years in college to equate to the former H.S. diploma. i believe he actually studied it. From what i witness, i cannot question him.

i believe i had a good public school education.
i’m sorry to say i think today’s students and their families are short-changed.
oddly, when i was young, there was this common belief that the future would “always” improve things.
people looked forward to the 21st Century with quite a lot of awe about possibilities.

now that we’re here. hmm. hmm.

As for professionals and credentials, it’s well known, some lie about degrees, even medical degrees! And get away with it - in some instances. Embellishing job applications is common. Some of these cases end up in national news.

i was just sharing my personal experience, not attempting to claim anything beyond that.
it’s probably an indicator of some kind about generalized amorality.

The world seems a long way away from teaching about the virtue of Abe Lincoln dutifully returning a library book.
Or any virtue.

https://theindependent.com/life/from-th ... 3ce6c.html

https://www.americaslibrary.gov/aa/linc ... uth_1.html

[Ken]

I can confirm that the institution that issued my diploma has never had anyone verify its authenticity - other than 1 of the 2 colleges I applied to attend. No employers ever did. I think employers just don't care about high school diplomas. They probably see them as having basically no value.

I will repeat what I said earlier: in make-work government jobs, there is a huge amount of bureaucracy. They will check and ask for verifications of every unnecessary piece of paperwork. Interestingly, when I applied for a (contractor) DoD job, they wanted mountains of paperwork to verify every job I ever had right down to a summer internship when I was 14, but they never did verify my high school diploma.

Credentials do matter Josh, for a vast array of jobs, most of which aren't government jobs. We were talking about falsely claiming to have a college degree.

Why don't you do a little experiment. Try lying about your credentials while applying for an RN position with any hospital and see if they check your credentials. Or if you manage to get hired, see how long you keep your nursing job once your fake degree and lack of credentials is discovered. Not only will you get fired, you are likely to be prosecuted for fraud. Try applying for a job with Boeing as an aerospace engineer with fraudulent credentials and see if you are discovered. Or if anyone wants you designing airplanes. Or for that matter, try lying about having a commercial driver's license and apply to any trucking company and see if they check, or how long you will keep your trucking job if your lie is discovered. None of those are government jobs.

A HS degree may or may not be important depending on the job in question and/or the community. But lying about having one is a very bad idea and actually constitutes fraud.

This thread is about high school diplomas. I’ll repeat myself, nobody has ever asked for my diploma or even asked details about my level of education. I do not propose lying (I think lying is a serious spiritual problem; I don’t think there are much in the way of earthly consequences for it. I think spiritual consequences are very important, much more than earthly concerns.)

I’m just saying that an HS diploma is unimportant. If you apply for an RN job, they don’t ask for your diploma, they want to know if your state board certificate is up to date.

I was responding to a comment about falsifying college credentials.

In any event, what the licensing boards for nursing, medicine, education, and others actually do is verify credentials so that employers don't have to. In the example of a RN who falsifies his/her education, they would be submitting false information to the medical licensing board. But even that is unlikely to work because the licensing boards probably require credentials be sent directly from the schools and not through the applicant. So you would have to have someone in the college registrar's office committing fraud on your behalf. The reason that school districts also check credentials and work history is for salary placement since most teaching salary scales are based on both education and work history and the teaching license doesn't provide information about either one. Just that you met the minimum qualifications for a license.

[Neto]

Military related disclosure:
I worked at a munitions factory for several weeks while i was in college. We were building detonators and cable cutters. I was a developing pacifist at the time, too. They told us (my roommate & I) that it was "peacetime" work. I soon got curious, and asked a supervisor what exactly this stuff was intended for. The detonators were for "peace-time stock-piling", he said. May or may not ever be used. They had a program of testing samples at certain intervals after manufacturing, and as long as the required percentage went off correctly, the stock was kept. At some point it would be considered too old to be dependable, and then it would be sold to rioters. (Just kidding. It would be discarded in some fashion.) The detonators were for self-actuating mines. (This was Vietnam era, so think jungle fighting.) These small mines would be dropped out of an airplane. They land in the jungle and a trigger on the bottom fires out "fishing lines w/ hooks", then draw them back tight. When someone trips one, it pops up about waist high & explodes. Designed to maim, not to kill. The theory, he said, is that if you kill someone, you only take one man out of the battle. Maim him, and you take out two - the one you injured, and the one who tries to save him by taking him back to the medics.

We both gave notice. That was the shortest time I ever worked at a job.
[On the topic, I do have an HS diploma. Want to see it? And a college one. Oh, and I also have Sheriff's criminal records check document. (I think it was required for getting a passport. Cannot remember anymore.) Now that I'm on a roll with this, they also have my fingerprints in Brazil. (Anything else you want to know?)]

You will be held under quarantine on this forum until you show us your vaccination card.

Actually, my wife & I did get the vaccine - pfyzer, both of them. I don't push it for anyone, and I didn't do it out of fear or because i was being controlled. (I'm just weird that way.) We did it because our son was undergoing cancer treatment, and it would have stopped his treatment if he had gotten the virus. Taking a chance with someone else's life is not my MO.

I could scan it for you, but no way to post it here....

[steve-in-kville]

That's kinda funny and not funny, both at the same time. There appears to be a tendency for every male transplant/seeker to be held with suspicion of being undercover.

Yea, and that's not the way it ought to be.

Obviously the FBI would send in female agents to go undercover, then.

There rest of the forum can go ahead and laugh... but I was accused of trying to uncover a tax evasion scheme among the local Mennonite communities... the fact that I didn't use a certain local Mennonite accountant (who will remain un-named) didn't help things either

[Josh]

There rest of the forum can go ahead and laugh... but I was accused of trying to uncover a tax evasion scheme among the local Mennonite communities... the fact that I didn't use a certain local Mennonite accountant (who will remain un-named) didn't help things either

I attracted a similar accusation, although later I found out the person thought it was a good thing and that I wold finally set things straight.

[cmbl]

There rest of the forum can go ahead and laugh... but I was accused of trying to uncover a tax evasion scheme among the local Mennonite communities... the fact that I didn't use a certain local Mennonite accountant (who will remain un-named) didn't help things either

I attracted a similar accusation, although later I found out the person thought it was a good thing and that I wold finally set things straight.

A few years back, some church people and I were interacting with a seeker who had negative things to say about more-mainstream churches. He bounced around between visiting different CM churches but seemed unwilling to commit to one. After he "left", I got to hear the "theory" about how this man was really undercover FBI.

Here in my simplicity, as a seeker I was primarily worrying about not appearing too interested in the girls. I had no idea I also had to prove I wasn't FBI!

[RZehr]

There rest of the forum can go ahead and laugh... but I was accused of trying to uncover a tax evasion scheme among the local Mennonite communities... the fact that I didn't use a certain local Mennonite accountant (who will remain un-named) didn't help things either

I attracted a similar accusation, although later I found out the person thought it was a good thing and that I wold finally set things straight.

A few years back, some church people and I were interacting with a seeker who had negative things to say about more-mainstream churches. He bounced around between visiting different CM churches but seemed unwilling to commit to one. After he "left", I got to hear the "theory" about how this man was really undercover FBI.

Here in my simplicity, as a seeker I was primarily worrying about not appearing too interested in the girls. I had no idea I also had to prove I wasn't FBI!

Sounds like PA conservative Mennonites have an obsession with the FBI. I wonder why.

[Josh]

There rest of the forum can go ahead and laugh... but I was accused of trying to uncover a tax evasion scheme among the local Mennonite communities... the fact that I didn't use a certain local Mennonite accountant (who will remain un-named) didn't help things either

I attracted a similar accusation, although later I found out the person thought it was a good thing and that I wold finally set things straight.

A few years back, some church people and I were interacting with a seeker who had negative things to say about more-mainstream churches. He bounced around between visiting different CM churches but seemed unwilling to commit to one. After he "left", I got to hear the "theory" about how this man was really undercover FBI.

Here in my simplicity, as a seeker I was primarily worrying about not appearing too interested in the girls. I had no idea I also had to prove I wasn't FBI!

Same experience here. I had no idea!

My habit of driving late model but base sedans like Impalas and Fusions with out of state plates may have supported this hypothesis.

Interestingly, now that I am married into a legacy Anabaptist family and have a child, there are those who still insist I’ve just gone deeper undercover.