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Does CRT actually have anything to do with LGBTQ or is that not part of it?Falco Underhill wrote: ↑Sat Jun 26, 2021 6:51 pm This thread is for continuing the conversation we were having without being sidetracked by the Beth Moore issue.
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As for CRT, apparently not
https://faithfullymagazine.com/critical ... hristians/Shedding light necessitates acknowledging that academic circles also spread ambiguity about CRT. Critical race theorist Tommy Curry observes that scholars use the term with a reckless range: “The CRT label to describe (1) any work dealing with postcolonial authors like W.E.B. Du Bois and Frantz Fanon or (2) the role postcolonial themes like power, discourse, and the unconscious play in the social constructionist area.” Kimberlé Crenshaw, one of CRT’s founders, adds that “the name Critical Race Theory . . . [is] now used as interchangeably for race scholarship as Kleenex is used for tissue.” This pervasive, fluid use of the term “CRT” has led scholars including Lewis Gordon, Charles Mills, and Lucius Outlaw to misidentify CRT. Beyond simply obscuring the definition of CRT, some appropriate the term to denote an emaciated conception of race divorced from CRT’s founders and their methodological and theoretical commitments. These scholars engage in academic gentrification: they take up residence within CRT scholarship, replace its original methods and commitments, ignore its founders, and silence the founders’ intellectual heirs.
The Need for a Guide
Confusion, misidentification, and gentrification characterize academic treatments of CRT; silence and name-dropping typify treatments within the Church. It’s hard to find accurate, detailed treatments of CRT. We as Christians need more than light. We need a guide.
CRT therefore is not a single theory, method, or analytic tool. It’s a diverse, contested, multi-layered movement.
Thanks Soloist! I can see this will take me some time to get through. It looks excellent though.Soloist wrote: ↑Sat Jun 26, 2021 7:24 pmDoes CRT actually have anything to do with LGBTQ or is that not part of it?Falco Underhill wrote: ↑Sat Jun 26, 2021 6:51 pm This thread is for continuing the conversation we were having without being sidetracked by the Beth Moore issue.
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https://www.christianitytoday.com/edste ... erned.html
This is where I got the connection and the reason I asked.
https://answersingenesis.org/racism/cri ... ry-church/
Is this a fair description of the CRT portion, or have they unfairly painted it?
I think some of it is fair and what is labeled CRT is correct.Soloist wrote: ↑Sat Jun 26, 2021 7:24 pm
https://answersingenesis.org/racism/cri ... ry-church/
Is this a fair description of the CRT portion, or have they unfairly painted it?
I don't know if this is a fair description of CRT:For instance, CRT teaches some groups, like blacks in America, have been historically oppressed by a dominant white culture. They argue American culture is enmeshed in “systemic racism,” which is a rigged system where African-Americans cannot get justice or fair treatment in 21st century America. CRT also teaches that systemic racism started with slavery in the early centuries of American history and continues into the present time. Some given examples of systemic racism include disproportionate numbers of blacks being incarcerated, historically unfair housing regulations for potential black homebuyers, and police treating blacks unfairly or cruelly as in the case when George Floyd died while being roughly handled by a police officer in Minneapolis in May 2020.
It certainly is unfair to suggest that all that believe racism is systemic also have this view of truth.So what is so wrong about critical race theory? First off, we must acknowledge that truth is not determined by groups of people. Critical race theoreticians have shifted the center of truth away from objective standards to the subjective perspective of what are considered oppressed groups. To CRT advocates, truth is not determined objectively outside of themselves. Instead, truth is determined experientially by historically oppressed groups of people; thus, different groups of people can have different “truths” in this view.
The larger point is that this is all esoteric academic stuff. It is like arguing about mechanisms for ion transport across the lipid bilayer cell membrane if you are a cell biologist. Or about the Lamda-CDM model of the expansion of the universe if you are an astrophysicist. Academics argue about these sorts of things intensely as well as the relevant components of CRT theory. But it is of little relevance to ordinary life or how we teach biology, physics, or civics in school classrooms.JimFoxvog wrote: ↑Sun Jun 27, 2021 7:53 amI think some of it is fair and what is labeled CRT is correct.Soloist wrote: ↑Sat Jun 26, 2021 7:24 pm
https://answersingenesis.org/racism/cri ... ry-church/
Is this a fair description of the CRT portion, or have they unfairly painted it?I don't know if this is a fair description of CRT:For instance, CRT teaches some groups, like blacks in America, have been historically oppressed by a dominant white culture. They argue American culture is enmeshed in “systemic racism,” which is a rigged system where African-Americans cannot get justice or fair treatment in 21st century America. CRT also teaches that systemic racism started with slavery in the early centuries of American history and continues into the present time. Some given examples of systemic racism include disproportionate numbers of blacks being incarcerated, historically unfair housing regulations for potential black homebuyers, and police treating blacks unfairly or cruelly as in the case when George Floyd died while being roughly handled by a police officer in Minneapolis in May 2020.It certainly is unfair to suggest that all that believe racism is systemic also have this view of truth.So what is so wrong about critical race theory? First off, we must acknowledge that truth is not determined by groups of people. Critical race theoreticians have shifted the center of truth away from objective standards to the subjective perspective of what are considered oppressed groups. To CRT advocates, truth is not determined objectively outside of themselves. Instead, truth is determined experientially by historically oppressed groups of people; thus, different groups of people can have different “truths” in this view.
Here's one starting point.Falco Underhill wrote: ↑Sun Jun 27, 2021 1:43 pm
Exactly what "white-supremacist propaganda and myths" are history curriculums promoting today?