Coronavirus Outbreak

[Biblical Anabaptist]

I should add that I completely pulled these figures from thin air.

Are you running for governor, or what?

Hmmmm....Lets see. I'm in a blue state. So let me double check my number. Ehem.
I now estimate that prior to the November election, there was upwards 20-500 million people who have, or are at risk of getting the virus in this country. Up to 600-700 may die from it. Since the end of January, we are looking at about 50,000,000 people who have had Covid with a pre-2021 death rate of up to 25%, and post-2020 death rate of 1%.

We are looking currently at death rate possibilities of up to 45% in Red states where they are permitting freedom and fewer masks and lower vaccination rates.
And in Blue states where social distancing and lockdowns and masks are the norm, and strong support for vaccinations, the death rate could soon be down as low as .0006% as soon as 2029.

You have the makings of a real politician.

[Josh]

I estimate that 99.5 to 110 million have had the virus in this country. And maybe the people who died of Covid instead of with Covid, is right about 175,000 - 188,000.
So the death rate would be somewhere between .16% and .19%.

I should add that I completely pulled these figures from thin air.

My figures I pulled out of slightly thicker air. (I maintain that if we tested the whole country, most would have tested positive at some point; the death rate would obviously stay the same.)

[Josh]

My wife who has been coordinating outpatient Covid care for this region for her clinic network (supervising dozens of doctors) says they are all so burnt out with Covid that woe to those who still walk into the hospital with Covid in late 2021 after the disease becomes completely preventable. They will not get the most sympathetic reception. People are exhausted and sick to death of dealing with Covid.

So, they aren’t practicing the most basic medical ethics or following established public health guidelines?

People I know who are EMTs are tired of dealing with drug overdoses and administering narcan (way worse than covid by the way and more common). Yet they don’t provide an “unsympathetic reception”. Sounds more like you just want to force your opinion that everyone should get an experimental, untested vaccine under some threat of... no medical care for a disease that rarely needs it anyway.

People will do their jobs like they always have. But the endless overtime and volunteerism and sacrifice that they have been doing to help bring us through this pandemic is going to eventually end. Especially now that the disease is mostly preventable.

I don’t expect any of the above. Medical care is really expensive - so are medical bills. Management needs to hire staff at appropriate levels and offer good wages and good working conditions.

[Josh]

the cases in the fourth wave have been happening among populations that are less vulnerable, and so have a lower mortality rate from the virus.

If we would have protected the vulnerable and let everyone else go about normal life, we would have seen this much earlier and reached herd immunity much earlier. If only someone would have said that last year. Oh, wait. There was.

You mean like Wayne, who was unaware that he had cancer and could have attended the “Anabaptist Identity Conference” where there apparently was an outbreak. Like that?

There was an outbreak? Says who?

[Ken]

Well, this is a twist that I didn't see coming.

Anti-Maskers Ready to Start Masking—to Protect Themselves From the Vaccinated

An anti-vaccine conspiracy about the vaccinated are leading some anti-maskers and anti-vaxxers to contemplate wearing a mask and social distance.

A conspiracy ripping through the anti-vax world may finally drive some anti-maskers to do the unthinkable: wear a mask and keep their distance.

The conspiracy—which comes in several shapes and sizes—more or less says the vaccinated will “shed” certain proteins onto the unvaccinated who will then suffer adverse effects. The main worry is the “shedding” will cause irregular menstruation, infertility, and miscarriages. The entirely baseless idea is a key cog in a larger conspiracy that COVID-19 was a ploy to depopulate the world, and the vaccine is what will cull the masses.

Experts say the conspiracy is born from a fundamental misunderstanding of how vaccines work. It has been widely debunked and you can read about it here, here, and here, among other places.

Anti-vax influencers are instructing their fellow anti-vaxxers as well as anti-maskers (at this point the two communities overlap to a huge degree) that one of the best ways to defend themselves from this blight is to co-opt…social distancing, the very strategy they have long decried.

Sherri Tenpenny, an anti-vaxxer who was found to be key in spreading COVID-19 conspiracy theories, suggested on a recent anti-vax livestream that you may have to “stay away from somebody who's had these shots…forever.”

Another prominent anti-vaxxer suggested quarantining people who have been vaccinated. “There is something being passed from people who are shot up with this poison to others who have not gotten the shot,” said Larry Palevsky, a New York pediatrician and anti-vaxxer, on a separate livestream. They should also “have a badge on their arms that say ‘I've been vaccinated even though it's not a vaccine’ so that we know to avoid them on the street, to not go near them anywhere in society,” he said.

It’s not just social distancing that anti-maskers/anti-vaxxers are begrudgingly accepting. Some conspiracy theorists are wondering if perhaps their longtime bane, the mask, could become their salvation. One perplexed poster on the fringe site 4chan asked their fellow anons if they should “wear a mask around the vaccinated, because they shed the mRNA stuff?”

. . . .

Source: https://www.vice.com/en/article/88nnwg/ ... vaccinated

[ohio jones]

Ohio has announced the end of the mask mandate and other restrictions, effective June 2.

“It's time to end the health orders. It's been a year. You've followed the protocols,” DeWine said. “You've done what we've asked. You've bravely fought this virus.”

“There comes a time when individual responsibility must take over,” he added.

Somehow he makes it feel like kindergarten graduation.

[Josh]

Well, this is a twist that I didn't see coming.

Anti-Maskers Ready to Start Masking—to Protect Themselves From the Vaccinated

An anti-vaccine conspiracy about the vaccinated are leading some anti-maskers and anti-vaxxers to contemplate wearing a mask and social distance.

A conspiracy ripping through the anti-vax world may finally drive some anti-maskers to do the unthinkable: wear a mask and keep their distance.

The conspiracy—which comes in several shapes and sizes—more or less says the vaccinated will “shed” certain proteins onto the unvaccinated who will then suffer adverse effects. The main worry is the “shedding” will cause irregular menstruation, infertility, and miscarriages. The entirely baseless idea is a key cog in a larger conspiracy that COVID-19 was a ploy to depopulate the world, and the vaccine is what will cull the masses.

Experts say the conspiracy is born from a fundamental misunderstanding of how vaccines work. It has been widely debunked and you can read about it here, here, and here, among other places.

Anti-vax influencers are instructing their fellow anti-vaxxers as well as anti-maskers (at this point the two communities overlap to a huge degree) that one of the best ways to defend themselves from this blight is to co-opt…social distancing, the very strategy they have long decried.

Sherri Tenpenny, an anti-vaxxer who was found to be key in spreading COVID-19 conspiracy theories, suggested on a recent anti-vax livestream that you may have to “stay away from somebody who's had these shots…forever.”

Another prominent anti-vaxxer suggested quarantining people who have been vaccinated. “There is something being passed from people who are shot up with this poison to others who have not gotten the shot,” said Larry Palevsky, a New York pediatrician and anti-vaxxer, on a separate livestream. They should also “have a badge on their arms that say ‘I've been vaccinated even though it's not a vaccine’ so that we know to avoid them on the street, to not go near them anywhere in society,” he said.

It’s not just social distancing that anti-maskers/anti-vaxxers are begrudgingly accepting. Some conspiracy theorists are wondering if perhaps their longtime bane, the mask, could become their salvation. One perplexed poster on the fringe site 4chan asked their fellow anons if they should “wear a mask around the vaccinated, because they shed the mRNA stuff?”

. . . .

Source: https://www.vice.com/en/article/88nnwg/ ... vaccinated

I’m not sure Vice is a reliable news source. But in any case, discouraging people from reporting side effects by accusing them of being “anti vaxxers” is bad public health, bad science, bad medicine. Avoiding an experimental treatment is a sensible thing to do. Good vaccines depend on 5-10 years of trials and testing.

[Valerie]

Sherri Tenpenny isn't just an anti-vaxer (shes not against "every" vaccine.

She is a very successful physician. (And a very strong Christian)

[Valerie]

the cases in the fourth wave have been happening among populations that are less vulnerable, and so have a lower mortality rate from the virus.

If we would have protected the vulnerable and let everyone else go about normal life, we would have seen this much earlier and reached herd immunity much earlier. If only someone would have said that last year. Oh, wait. There was.

When a child lies, they seldom own up. They just keep lying on top of lies to cover up the fact that they lied to start with. Then they rationalize and justify their lying, often making the situation sound much worse to help justify their original lie. They will recruit others to support their lie and soon have several people agreeing to it. Once they build up so much structure around the original lie, they get trapped and can not own up to the truth because it will uncover the depth they went just to cover one little lie.

For better or for worse, you and I didn't get to determine the government's course of action, nor will we ever be in such a position. Of course we would have done a lot of things differently. I don't have the interest or energy to play the coulda woulda shoulda game. Just observing is all.

Maybe not but it should open some eyes.
There will be a "next time"

[Valerie]

Sherri Tenpenny isn't just an anti-vaxer (shes not against "every" vaccine.

She is a very successful physician. (And a very strong Christian)

She is also a very strong Christian, who looks to the Great Physician for discernment & guidance