The Collapse of America

[Robert]

I expect this next 12-36 months we will experience a economic boom, the likes of which haven’t been seen in a generation.

I think we will have a 10-12 month surge then inflation will catch up and things will start to decline. If they spend $2 trillion more including raising taxes, it may finally show that the US government is as broke as it is financially and structurally.

[Dan Z]

Regarding the "collapse of America," maybe it is all a matter of perspective.

I heard Senator Raphael Warnock preach of this time as a "moment of fantastic opportunity and fierce opposition." He observed that during the Capitol insurrection, nooses and confederate flags were on display, "signs and symbols of an old world order passing away." This old order, he said, is responding "violently and desperately," much like a snake with its head cut off will writhe and shake, "not because it is living, but because it is dying."

One man's collapse is another man's opportunity, I suppose. I don't think the end is nigh (we'll have some good days ahead) - but neither do I think we are entering a glorious new age (we'll have some tough days ahead).

Regardless, I'm working for the franchise of Love and Justice...and frankly, I'm banking on Christ's ultimate victory, and the triumph of His eternal Kingdom.

[RZehr]

I heard Senator Raphael Warnock preach of this time as a "moment of fantastic opportunity and fierce opposition." He observed that during the Capitol insurrection, nooses and confederate flags were on display, "signs and symbols of an old world order passing away." This old order, he said, is responding "violently and desperately," much like a snake with its head cut off will writhe and shake, "not because it is living, but because it is dying."

I did think of the last year too. Last year, if you'd listen to Democrats, the end was nigh, whiteness was rampant, the capitol was being sacked. Now they are cheery about the future, while the Republicans are glum. This afternoon a farmer (safe to assume this particular one was pretty Republican) told me that he expects low prices for his crop because "whenever a Democrat is in charge, prices go down". Specifically he was talking about his specialty crop.

[ohio jones]

I expect this next 12-36 months we will experience a economic boom, the likes of which haven’t been seen in a generation.

One of the most famous booms from a generation ago:

[temporal1]

This afternoon a farmer (safe to assume this particular one was pretty Republican) told me that he expects low prices for his crop because "whenever a Democrat is in charge, prices go down". Specifically he was talking about his specialty crop.

Farmers, in general, as a bipartisan group, regardless of party or government, religion, location, or other,
“never have a good day.” It’s part of the dominant culture. In the U.S., farmers are generally quite political, altho i don’t believe they necessarily always choose 1 party .. overall, ag is big business, has major lobbies, relies on gov.
Ag is important to both parties politics.

From what i’ve read in my life, no matter country, faith, culture, farming is risky, farmers rely on prayers,
whether to our 1 God, or pagan gods/spirits. i believe i was introduced to this as a child reading THE GOOD EARTH, Pearl S. Buck. Then i learned, it’s universal.

This exchange between Josh+Neto paints a picture:

One way to detect a farmer is that they'll tell you how bad their losses were from farming.
Yes, there are good years, but all they do is make up for the bad years.
And in your good years you have a lot of expenses for things like brand new trucks, combines, tractors, and so on.

A person can make it w/o all of that stuff, at least there was a time when you could, when farmers helped one another with harvest, etc.

My grandpa farmed rented land from 28 or 29 until 37, when he bought the farm where all but my dad and a couple of the other older children were born, and where my dad grew up.

This was western Oklahoma, dust bowl era.
After he paid off the farm (a quarter section, 160 acres), he bought another 80 acres from the neighbor's farm.
He had a car already before he & grandma married, but only ever owned 4 cars his whole life, plus one used farm pickup, which he bought with money he got from selling shale to the county road department.

Farmed with horses until the late 40's, and when they first moved there in 37, they did without electricity until they could afford to pay for it. He may have had an older tractor before he bought the one I remember.

OK. I guess that doesn't sound like the kind of life people now-a-days want.

Josh:
Indeed, nowadays when a farmer is telling me he can't make any money, I usually just assume his net worth is in the millions.

Farmers can be relied upon to feel uncertain in all times.

One year, on MD, the year appleman’s orchard was devastated by a late spring freeze was quite an experience to read about. appleman is not a good example of the generalization above. that year reflected the grave uncertainty of agriculture.

[Grace]

Regarding the "collapse of America," maybe it is all a matter of perspective.

I heard Senator Raphael Warnock preach of this time as a "moment of fantastic opportunity and fierce opposition." He observed that during the Capitol insurrection, nooses and confederate flags were on display, "signs and symbols of an old world order passing away." This old order, he said, is responding "violently and desperately," much like a snake with its head cut off will writhe and shake, "not because it is living, but because it is dying."

One man's collapse is another man's opportunity, I suppose. I don't think the end is nigh (we'll have some good days ahead) - but neither do I think we are entering a glorious new age (we'll have some tough days ahead).

Regardless, I'm working for the franchise of Love and Justice...and frankly, I'm banking on Christ's ultimate victory, and the triumph of His eternal Kingdom.

What happened at the capitol was an anomaly and not representative of millions of people who are conservative. But one has to wonder what a black liberationist such as Warnock supports. Is a lawmaker who supports neo-Marxist beliefs, who views the U.S. Constitution, our law system, and our free enterprise system, as corrupt and in need of a radical transformation, any better than the people that stormed the capitol?

How is Warnock any better when he supports unrestricted abortion on demand, gay marriage, transgender biological males competing with biological females, and a supporting a long list of other social repressive issues for this country?

[temporal1]

i had no idea R Warnock was black. (that’s how it should be, right?) not knowing, not caring? “not judged by the color” ..

i did a brief search. he’s described as pastor+politician. yikes. an exaggerated example of a pastor leading his flock to government for answers. eyes wide open, folks.

i presume, if he happened to be white-looking, he would be flatly rejected+criticized for this. not rewarded.
on this forum, in thread after thread.

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The Collapse of America, in whatever form or degree, should not be confused with “the end of the world,” or,
most importantly, the end of authentic Christianity.

Jesus Christ will not fail.

[Grace]

i had no idea R Warnock was black. (that’s how it should be, right?) not knowing, not caring? “not judged by the color” ..

i did a brief search. he’s described as pastor+politician. yikes. an exaggerated example of a pastor leading his flock to government for answers. eyes wide open, folks.

i presume, if he happened to be white-looking, he would be flatly rejected+criticized for this. not rewarded.
on this forum, in thread after thread.

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The Collapse of America, in whatever form or degree, should not be confused with “the end of the world,” or,
most importantly, the end of authentic Christianity.

Jesus Christ will not fail.

Warnok is a supporter and advocate for the late James Hal Cone, a founding father of “black liberation theology”. Cone’s books are filled with divisive racial language, severe criticism of white society and white churches. Cone called for revolution, even to the point of violence if needed. Almost from the beginning, Cone intentionally infused his liberation theology with Marxist principles.

“Together, black religion and Marxist philosophy may show us the way to build a completely new society,” Cone a Warnok mentor, wrote in a 1980 paper for The Institute for Democratic Socialism.

Warnok is right that some of those signs and symbols of an old world order may be going away and it is a good thing, but based on his world view I don't think his new world looks any better, but probably looks worse.

It reminds me of the verses out of Matthew 12, where it talks about demons leaving a person.

" Then it says, ‘I will return to the house I left.’ When it arrives, it finds the house unoccupied, swept clean and put in order. Then it goes and takes with it seven other spirits more wicked than itself, and they go in and live there. And the final condition of that person is worse than the first. That is how it will be with this wicked generation.”.

If the " order of the past" in which Warnok talks about leaves, will it be replaced with an even worse order?

[Falco Underhill]

Regarding the "collapse of America," maybe it is all a matter of perspective.

I heard Senator Raphael Warnock preach of this time as a "moment of fantastic opportunity and fierce opposition." He observed that during the Capitol insurrection, nooses and confederate flags were on display, "signs and symbols of an old world order passing away." This old order, he said, is responding "violently and desperately," much like a snake with its head cut off will writhe and shake, "not because it is living, but because it is dying."

One man's collapse is another man's opportunity, I suppose. I don't think the end is nigh (we'll have some good days ahead) - but neither do I think we are entering a glorious new age (we'll have some tough days ahead).

Regardless, I'm working for the franchise of Love and Justice...and frankly, I'm banking on Christ's ultimate victory, and the triumph of His eternal Kingdom.

What happened at the capitol was an anomaly and not representative of millions of people who are conservative. But one has to wonder what a black liberationist such as Warnock supports. Is a lawmaker who supports neo-Marxist beliefs, who views the U.S. Constitution, our law system, and our free enterprise system, as corrupt and in need of a radical transformation, any better than the people that stormed the capitol?

How is Warnock any better when he supports unrestricted abortion on demand, gay marriage, transgender biological males competing with biological females, and a supporting a long list of other social repressive issues for this country?

Good point Grace. It seems to me that Christians who ally themselves with socialists ally themselves with Mammon, regardless that Jesus said one could not do that and keep the faith at the same time. (Matthew 6:24). This seems to be the modern faith. Jesus is okay as pastor, but they will have no King but Mammon.

[Soloist]

Good point Grace. It seems to me that Christians who ally themselves with socialists ally themselves with Mammon, regardless that Jesus said one could not do that and keep the faith at the same time. (Matthew 6:24)

Or the Republicans, or the Capitalists, Or the Democrats and so on and so on.

Let us be careful not to bad mouth the leaders and align ourselves politically with any mammon.