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[JohnL]

My shocked observation.
Only a week since Robert left us and look at this thread of political bashing. Sad.

So if a current event unveils / reveals the bad character or bad theology of a leader and/or his followers/voters/etc, we shouldn't talk about it or especially not the characters at the center of the happening? Why are big picture, principalities and powers etc - which are Always part of current events, off limits?

How would you talk about this event in a way that you would characterize as not-political?

Two words sunshine. Politics section.
For the sake of Robert’s memory and common sense I still find the political bashing shocking. Robert didnt do it. He was an excellent role model.

[JohnH]

I think this crew talks about this event in a non-political way...with a focus on the religious/theological ideas/actions related to the event.

If you think that’s non political, then I can understand a little better why you keep bringing up politics in the non politics section.

Jazman, a little advice. Trump has less than 3 years left of his term. Life will go on. Probably very little will change. Move on from Trump and from caring about Trump.

[JohnH]

My shocked observation.
Only a week since Robert left us and look at this thread of political bashing. Sad.

So if a current event unveils / reveals the bad character or bad theology of a leader and/or his followers/voters/etc, we shouldn't talk about it or especially not the characters at the center of the happening? Why are big picture, principalities and powers etc - which are Always part of current events, off limits?

How would you talk about this event in a way that you would characterize as not-political?

They aren’t “off limits”. Just talk about it in the politics subforums. What’s so hard about that?

[JohnH]

Both Gossen (Chosen Nation) and Weaver draw heavily from his scholarship. It serves as a reminder that rejection of "Just War" theory is a fundamental doctrine of the Mennonite church, and those who reject it have effectively ceased to be Mennonite.

IF I ever teach European Civ. or World History (again) I would put this on a reading list. I did not previously, because I was teaching Middle School.

For High school seniors and post-high school, it is a must.

Would you put all of his writings endorsing leftist theories of climate change on your students' must-read list, too?

Would you allow your students to disagree with what he says or is this some kind of propaganda exercise?

[Judas Maccabeus]

Both Gossen (Chosen Nation) and Weaver draw heavily from his scholarship. It serves as a reminder that rejection of "Just War" theory is a fundamental doctrine of the Mennonite church, and those who reject it have effectively ceased to be Mennonite.

IF I ever teach European Civ. or World History (again) I would put this on a reading list. I did not previously, because I was teaching Middle School.

For High school seniors and post-high school, it is a must.

Would you put all of his writings endorsing leftist theories of climate change on your students' must-read list, too?

Would you allow your students to disagree with what he says or is this some kind of propaganda exercise?

Please do not enguage in "whataboutism" and inject irrelevent points into this. How I run my classroom is NONE OF YOUR BUISNESS. It is the province of principle, ministery and board.

[JohnH]

Please do not enguage in "whataboutism" and inject irrelevent points into this. How I run my classroom is NONE OF YOUR BUISNESS. It is the province of principle, ministery and board.

Well, you opened this up:

IF I ever teach European Civ. or World History (again) I would put this on a reading list.

So I'm asking at what level you want to put this guy's stuff on a must-read list, and more importantly, if it would be viewed with a critical eye or just taken as gospel truth. If you don't want to answer the questions, fine.

I note a rather strong tone of aggression from you, lately, J M, that is a bit concerning - such as the other post you made comparing me to 9th graders. It is unbecoming. I would be glad to talk to you offline and work out a more peaceful resolution to our differences, but so far you have ignored me reaching out to you, so... here we are.

[Judas Maccabeus]

Please do not enguage in "whataboutism" and inject irrelevent points into this. How I run my classroom is NONE OF YOUR BUISNESS. It is the province of principle, ministery and board.

Well, you opened this up:

IF I ever teach European Civ. or World History (again) I would put this on a reading list.

So I'm asking at what level you want to put this guy's stuff on a must-read list, and more importantly, if it would be viewed with a critical eye or just taken as gospel truth. If you don't want to answer the questions, fine.

I note a rather strong tone of aggression from you, lately, J M, that is a bit concerning - such as the other post you made comparing me to 9th graders. It is unbecoming. I would be glad to talk to you offline and work out a more peaceful resolution to our differences, but so far you have ignored me reaching out to you, so... here we are.

I have no intentions of enguaging offline. I just do not see the point. And if you read my response you would know at what level I would use this.Since you have selectivly edited here 12th grade or post high school. It would not be within the understanding of middle school students.

I said I would put one article from an author on a reading list. That does not imply endoresment of everything the guy wrote. If I put Payne's "Common Sense" on a reading list, which I have, it does not mean I endorse "Age of Reason" or for that matter anything eles he wrote. If you purged the reading list of evey author who had written anything that we disagree with, we would have a reading list consisting of just the Bible, in the King James translation. You can't teach this way, and even Rod and Staff material has excerpts from authors we would not agree with everything they wrote.

School curriculum just does not work that way. While I am aware of groups that stop education at 8th grade, even for those students education does not stop. Formal academic education may, but certanly education does not stop. Many move into skilled apprentaships. I am personaaly not happy with stopping education that early, but it is up to the local church/conference. We have made a decision , I back our decision. I don't agree that more plain/conservitive is always a good idea. It is a decision that each local church/conference makes.

[ken_sylvania]

How would you talk about this event in a way that you would characterize as not-political?

There will always be people who will talk about people but if you wanna talk about me - please tell it to someone who can do something about it and please, do it on your knees.
You can tell the Lord all the things I've done that didn't seem right to you,
but don't tell your neighbor 'cause he can never give me the strength to see me through.
You can tell Him all about how weak I am and pray that he'd strengthen me,
You can talk about me any time you want to but please, do it on your knees.

[JohnH]

I have no intentions of enguaging offline. I just do not see the point. And if you read my response you would know at what level I would use this.Since you have selectivly edited here 12th grade or post high school. It would not be within the understanding of middle school students.

JM, I enjoyed meeting you a number of years ago and also enjoyed staying at your house and visiting with you when I was travelling in the area. I value relationships like that, and don't really intend to see them destroyed because of pointless online political arguments. That's why I asked if we could talk about some things offline, because I value relationships and friendships.

However, I got zero response from you at all, and there is, in particular, something I think you should know about from one of our recent discussions - not a point of disagreement, but something that would be quite relevant and I think you'd want to know - but which I don't care to air in a public forum. But that's that.

I hope our past friendship and brotherhood can mean more to you than just online Internet arguments.

[Soloist]

John never answers the phone when I call. I think he’s shunning me