Opinions about the chickenpox, measles, and rubella vaccines

[Judas Maccabeus]

Given that the DNA could be sourced from virtually anywhere ethically, I would say yes it’s not ethical, but I would not be surprised if I stand alone in that.

If it were just a sequence of bases on a computer, yet it contained the information needed to reconstruct one of those fetal cells, would it still be objectionable?

It would seem wiser to focus on the actual problems in front of us than hypotheticals where the technology doesn’t exist yet.

The reality is that live tissue is grown from the remnants of an aborred baby and widely used in medicine, including in newer vaccines. That’s a big problem. I don’t think God’s blessing is on such things.

Funny. I doubt that God will “bless “ children with crippling diseases when the knowledge to avoid them exists. The solution we now have at our disposal is less than perfect . We need to work towards better solutions, not reject the ones we have. Such solutions are within our grasp, in at least one situation, only needs licensing, not development.

[Soloist]

Funny. I doubt that God will “bless “ children with crippling diseases when the knowledge to avoid them exists. The solution we now have at our disposal is less than perfect . We need to work towards better solutions, not reject the ones we have. Such solutions are within our grasp, in at least one situation, only needs licensing, not development.

Yeah and what incentive do they have to change when everyone just simply accepts the way it is?

[Judas Maccabeus]

Funny. I doubt that God will “bless “ children with crippling diseases when the knowledge to avoid them exists. The solution we now have at our disposal is less than perfect . We need to work towards better solutions, not reject the ones we have. Such solutions are within our grasp, in at least one situation, only needs licensing, not development.

Yeah and what incentive do they have to change when everyone just simply accepts the way it is?

My former professional organization was beginning the process of licensing Fujisawa’s Tc-MAA after a monopoly developed in the United States, and the sole remaining source raised the price about 10x. It can be done. It is much less expensive than licensing a new drug. If there are enough people willing to commit the resources, it would take some 2-3 years under normal conditions. With the current leadership, who knows. The “ethical” version is within grasp, it just needs enough people to back it.

Estimate we had was 1-1.5 million. The society had pledges for most of that. In the end, the American supplier backed down.

[JohnH]

The “ethical” version is within grasp, it just needs enough people to back it.

Which won't happen when people who should behave better keep accepting "unethical" versions.

At this point, I have given up - the critical mass no longer exists and stem cells are widely accepted. I am unwilling to take live tissue from an aborted baby and use it to prolong my own life. If that means I don't live as long as I could otherwise, then so be it. I am not really interested in practicing necromancy.

[Signtist]

We do the ones required by our state to go to school. We space them out pretty far. We don’t bother with any that are not required.
In our state, private Christian schools are subject to the vaccines schedules and required reporting of the medical records as are public schools.
The local county health department holds our feet to the letter of the law. However, our state does allow for religious, or philosophical, or other exemptions. But to claim the exception, the parent has to spend time to get the exemption certificate. A few school families do this. County is perfectly content as long as they have the exception certificate.

We did not give all the required ones. It get crazy in Ontario, and they even began requiring chicken pox vaccination. We simply did not comply. Then we got a letter stating our children would be suspended. This was in May. We did nothing. The year ran out before the suspensions happened. The next year they got on it earlier. My wife told them to get the paperwork started, then, because there will be no chicken pox vaccinations happening for children who have had them. They refused to listen to her, and we refused to budge. So we ended up going to the doc and having bloodwork done to prove immunity. The paperwork was faxed to the health department and the issue was dropped

[mike]

The “ethical” version is within grasp, it just needs enough people to back it.

Which won't happen when people who should behave better keep accepting "unethical" versions.

At this point, I have given up - the critical mass no longer exists and stem cells are widely accepted. I am unwilling to take live tissue from an aborted baby and use it to prolong my own life. If that means I don't live as long as I could otherwise, then so be it. I am not really interested in practicing necromancy.

What fascinates me here is your caricature of those who use the conventional vaccines being discussed compared to your views on using AI or stock photography to depict products in advertising. If you're going to call the latter a dishonest way to characterize something, then I would argue the former might also be.

[JohnH]

What fascinates me here is your caricature of those who use the conventional vaccines being discussed compared to your views on using AI or stock photography to depict products in advertising. If you're going to call the latter a dishonest way to characterize something, then I would argue the former might also be.

What would you describe live tissue from fetal stem cells as?

[mike]

What fascinates me here is your caricature of those who use the conventional vaccines being discussed compared to your views on using AI or stock photography to depict products in advertising. If you're going to call the latter a dishonest way to characterize something, then I would argue the former might also be.

What would you describe live tissue from fetal stem cells as?

To call those who use vaccines as 'taking live tissue from an aborted baby and using it to prolong one's life' and as 'practicing necromancy' is really stretching definitions.

I don't know the answer to the question.

[JohnH]

To call those who use vaccines as 'taking live tissue from an aborted baby and using it to prolong one's life' and as 'practicing necromancy' is really stretching definitions.

What would you call live tissue derived from fetal stem cells?

I assume the purpose of vaccines is to prolong life.

[mike]

To call those who use vaccines as 'taking live tissue from an aborted baby and using it to prolong one's life' and as 'practicing necromancy' is really stretching definitions.

What would you call live tissue derived from fetal stem cells?

I assume the purpose of vaccines is to prolong life.

Like I said, I don't know the answer to the question. So do you stand behind the characterization that a person who gets their children the recommended childhood vaccines is 'taking live tissue from an aborted baby and using it to prolong one's life' and 'practicing necromancy'?