Enneagram Personality Testing

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How do you feel about Enneagram Personality Testing

 
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MaxPC

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JimFoxvog wrote:
MaxPC wrote: If you want a personality test that is considered less of a game then most prefer to use the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator. Of special note: any personality test should be administered, scored and interpreted by a third, disinterested professional. Again, the results depend heavily upon the mood of the subject.
The Myers-Briggs Type Indicator is also based on unproven theories, but I've been surprised by how the three or four times I've taken it I've always come up with the exact same "type".
The MBI is not really based on theories but instead upon empirical observations of behavioral aggregates which were then categorized into types based upon associations. As I said though: any personality test should be administered, scored and interpreted by a professional. And any “personality test” should not be the sole instrument.

If a person is needing to determine if he is depressed, has a personality disorder or is simply trying to figure others out for himself, personality tests are not designed for those purposes.
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hillperson

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Heirbyadoption wrote:I just came across this. Guess I'll go ahead and comment anyway.

If you want the short version of my answer---> I don't recommend it. As has been alluded to, it's primarily based on non-Christian philosophy, and is truly arbitrary as far as psychological/personality systems go.

Having said that, I have a few friends who feel they have truly found it to be a blessing in understanding the why's of their own choices in life (as well as those of others) and claim it has been a blessing in their sanctification by giving them a fuller picture of God's design.

Having said that, and this is from reading about 14 books and 50+ articles on the subject (I was asked to research it by a friend), I'm not someone who looks for a demon under every rock, BUT it is verifiably documented that the Enneagram as it stands was compiled in the 60s/70s by Oscar Ichazo, who claimed to receive it from the archangel Metatron (a popular figure in occult and New Age spheres) during a 7 day (possibly mescaline induced) trance, and the 9 types/wings/etc were further defined/refined by his student Claudio Naranjo who says he did so MOSTLY through automatic writing, and who went on to publicly admit that they made up the concept that all our types are rooted in a childhood trauma, and who further admitted that they knowingly made up the concept of the Enneagram as being a historic Christian practice.

From a strictly Christian standpoint, my concern would be more the emphasis on "Self"-realization and self-improvement, as well as a significant downplaying of the Biblical concepts of sin, the transforming work and power of the Holy Spirit, and the fact that we are called to look to and be conformed to the image of Jesus, not a personality system (even a seemingly effective or accurate one). Plus I found (at least for myself) the tempation to take my Enneagram number and say that "this is how I am, and therefore you need to recognize that and respond to me as such, or my response will predictably be...." Or the equal temptation to look at someone else (and any Enneagram user who denies this is either willingly ignorant or a bit dishonest) and relate to them only by the number they seem to fit, rather than accepting that God gives us all different gifts, and He is always refining and calling us to holy, healthy changes, even away from the boxes we try to put around our personality, whether with Enneagram numbers or any other definer.

So....that brings us back to the original question: can Christians use the Enneagram simply as a useful personality assessment test while divorcing it from its occult origins and downplaying of major Biblical doctrines? Honestly, I'm not sure I can answer that question 100% yet, but I confess I would be very slow to embrace it as THE answer for one's struggles in life, even as a born again believer. Everybody who interacts with it will have to answer that question for themselves. But if your criteria is "whatsoever things are pure", it strikes me as being inherently polluted, though some of it's negative effects may well not show in the short term.

Sorry, that really was the short (and technically incomplete) version... :shock:
Thank you for taking the time. It has given me something to think about.

So far I’ve felt like it’s been a good tool to use but I’m going to reevaluate again.

Would you have the same argument against temperament testing?
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hillperson

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Also would you mind giving me some titles of books you read on this subject?
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hillperson wrote:What is your opinion on enneagram testing. I’ve enjoyed looking into it the past few months but have been noticing that there are Christians who warn against it because of it origins. What is your opinion. You can explain your vote below.
My house group will be learning a bit about this and doing it together over the next few weeks. I will try to let you know what I think. :D
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Heirbyadoption wrote:I just came across this. Guess I'll go ahead and comment anyway.

If you want the short version of my answer---> I don't recommend it. As has been alluded to, it's primarily based on non-Christian philosophy, and is truly arbitrary as far as psychological/personality systems go:
That's a helpful perspective. Thanks. I just learned about the history of it with Oscar and Naranjo. Pretty wild.
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Heirbyadoption

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hillperson wrote:Also would you mind giving me some titles of books you read on this subject?
I just realized I never replied to this. Sorry. :oops: I'll take a look at the list of everything I've gone through and try to post them here for you.
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Ok! Our house group finished. I have a lot of thoughts. First, I think the Enneagram can be helpful. I am not concerned about any occult stuff. IMO it is simply a tool that can be used either for good or ill. I am, however, concerned that the whole thing is a money-making business. I personally don't like how complex it is. With the increased complexity can come better results, but I think that the time would better be spent talking to a psychologist. A psychologist can help you think through things and point you in helpful directions both for exploring the Enneagram and understanding the results. If you are dealing with trauma, you definitely need professional help.
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Signtist

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slaveofone wrote:I am not concerned about any occult stuff. IMO it is simply a tool that can be used either for good or ill. I am, however, concerned that the whole thing is a money-making business. I personally don't like how complex it is. With the increased complexity can come better results, but I think that the time would better be spent talking to a psychologist. A psychologist can help you think through things and point you in helpful directions both for exploring the Enneagram and understanding the results. If you are dealing with trauma, you definitely need professional help.
Whoa. OK, occultic activities don't concern you? Or you don't concern yourself with the occultic origins of this? The occult can be a tool for good or evil? Or just this part of it?
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