Meanwhile, in Hungary

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Meanwhile, in Hungary

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Francis in Hungary
Despite their differences, Pope Francis and Viktor Orban
are the only European heads of state trying to end the Russia–Ukraine war.

Rod Dreher / The American Conservative
May 1, 2023

https://www.theamericanconservative.com ... n-hungary/
.. So why did he come now? Clearly Francis intended to make a statement with this visit, which entailed significant physical sacrifice for him. From the Hungarian point of view, that statement was:

Peace.

That is, Francis’s choice to come to Hungary now, despite his poor health and his deep-seated opposition to Hungary’s migration stance, conveys how passionate the pontiff is to see an end to the ruinous Russia–Ukraine war. The Holy See and Hungary have found common cause as the only European states pushing for peace. The Orban government regards the papal pilgrimage as a sign of support for its repeated appeals for a cease-fire and a negotiated end to hostilities. ..
.. Budapest is normally sleepy on Sunday mornings, but the streets of the Hungarian capital swarmed yesterday with Catholics streaming to the vast Kossuth Square in front of Hungary’s impressive parliament building for the outdoor papal mass. An estimated 50,000 gathered near the Danube’s banks, under a warm spring sun, for the liturgy. The Calvinist president, the Calvinist prime minister, the Russian archbishop, as well as other Protestant and Jewish leaders were also in the crowd.

In his homily, the pontiff once again urged Hungarians to open themselves to migrants, and once again called for an end to war.
In a prayer addressing the Virgin Mary, Francis begged her to “look especially at the neighboring, tormented Ukrainian and Russian people, your peoples dedicated to you.” This was a poignant acknowledgment that both the Catholics of Ukraine, and the Orthodox of Ukraine and Russia, look to Mary, the Mother of Jesus, as their mother too.

“You, who are the Queen of Peace, pour into the hearts of people and the leaders of nations the desire to build peace,” prayed Francis, “to offer future generations a future of hope, not war; a future full of cradles and not graves; a world full of brothers and not walls.”


247 pages+counting / “Russia Invades Ukraine 2022”
viewtopic.php?t=4584

^^Not much discussion of peace, prayers for peace, or even resolution, in 247 pages. (Whether or not in Mary’s name.)
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Hungary has been mentioned in a number of other topics:
search.php?keywords=Hungary&sid=d0738d9 ... 139013c4b9
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CATO Institute / The Ukrainian Endgame: An Imperfect Peace Is Better than Endless War
In a perfect world Ukraine would recover its territory, including that seized in 2014, collect reparations from Moscow, and frame Putin’s written apology for invading. However, none of these should be Washington’s objective.
JUNE 15, 2022 • COMMENTARY
By Doug Bandow
https://www.cato.org/commentary/ukraini ... ndless-war
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2025 Re: Meanwhile, in Hungary

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Since my late teens, when innocently visiting Montreal for the first time, havng an immediate rude awakening by walking into their heated language war, i decided we in the U.S. do not get much in reporting about other countries, not even Canada or Mexico!
50+ years later, no real change in msm - the internet has opened doors, msm lags behind. imho

For years, i’ve been interested in Hungary and Poland, without much info, but noticing they both choose to be prolife, pro traditional marriage, they are both mainly Catholic? Catholicism might be their state religion? It’s been awhile since i looked it up.

When i see msm reports, typically they’re framed negatively.

i’m about half-thru this excellent civilized interview. It includes time stamps! :wave:

Disclaimer:
Altho not obsessed, Orban speaks highly of Trump, read at your own peril.


PragerU / Hungary's Balázs Orbán Explains How to Stop Illegal Immigration from Devastating Europe | Real Talk
Description:
In the mainstream U.S. and European media, Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán
is portrayed as an authoritarian dictator for implementing policies that defend Hungary’s borders,
protect its families, and
reject radical gender ideology.

PragerU CEO ‪@realtalkwithmarissa‬ and Balázs Orbán, political director to Prime Minister Orbán, discuss why Hungary is resisting the EU’s agenda.

He also shares insights on Ukraine, Trump, Middle East diplomacy, and the fight for Europe's future.

00:00 Why the West Should Look to Hungary
00:38 How Hungary Fights Woke Ideology
02:03 Responding to Claims of “Authoritarianism”
04:21 Hungary’s Immigration Policy vs. EU Pressure
09:14 Standing Up to Gender Ideology in Schools
13:03 Why Hungary Prioritizes Families Over Migrants
17:02 The Political War Against Hungary in Europe
28:55 Hungary’s Position on Ukraine, Trump, and Russia
35:04 Social Media, Foreign Influence, and Sovereignty
45:16 Why Hungary Withdrew from the ICC and What Comes Next

In my view, Orban is describing very well what i now think of as The Left versus The Left-West.
In my view, The Left-West has gone ‘way overboard, whether in Europe or the U.S.

i began viewing The West in this divided way as a result of Russia-Ukraine.

This is not an invitation to bash Orban/Hungary. Anyone can readily view those opinions in the mainstream.
No need to rehash it here. :)
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Re: Meanwhile, in Hungary

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t1, this is veering into Politics. I think a thread in Politics about Orban would be appropriate but I'm not sure what it's doing in "Other".
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Re: 2025 Re: Meanwhile, in Hungary

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temporal1 wrote: Tue Jul 08, 2025 11:26 am 2025
For years, i’ve been interested in Hungary and Poland, without much info, but noticing they both choose to be prolife, pro traditional marriage, they are both mainly Catholic? Catholicism might be their state religion? It’s been awhile since i looked it up.
Not curious enough to look it up while composing the post??
i’m about half-thru this excellent civilized interview.
You're not under a deadline, the thread has been quiet for a couple years, take your time to watch the whole thing before sharing your thoughts.
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JohnH wrote: Tue Jul 08, 2025 11:49 am t1, this is veering into Politics. I think a thread in Politics about Orban would be appropriate but I'm not sure what it's doing in "Other".
i started the Meanwhile topics long ago. Mixed content.
In my view, it’s up to mods to decide what to do with them. As rules change over time. There are bound to be some overlaps.
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2026 Re: Meanwhile, in Hungary

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April 2026 / Political Lessons from Orban's Defeat
https://forum.mennonet.com/viewtopic.php?t=8839

A quick search of “Hungary” brought 275 results, including in the Politics subforum.
https://forum.mennonet.com/search.php?keywords=Hungary

Clearly, Orban was loathed by the homosexual bloc.
Presumably that explains the flamboyant vitriol thrown his way.

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An example of an unbearable policy:

Hungary prohibits sharing content on homosexuality with people under 18
https://forum.mennonet.com/viewtopic.php?t=4335

^^Add that to encouraging traditional families with children. Terrrrible!
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